Short term, but the rise of hurling will hurt football significantly long term.
It was actually better when lads had a choice of what hurling club they played for (if they came from a football only club). They only played cos they really wanted to and weren’t just tagging along with the lads, which happens a lot in dual clubs. Great for keeping 2 sports going and participation, but from a successful county team POV it’s not good.
They can’t make a success of an already decent pick, I don’t see why a few extra clubs will make it that much better. You may pick up the odd lad, but you are definitely affecting football far more negatively that having a positive return for hurling.
And of course there isn’t a prayer of the hurling clubs doing more for football which would balance it out somewhat.
Muskerry West is it’s actual geographic GAA location.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066314, member: 273”]Short term, but the rise of hurling will hurt football significantly long term.
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True. He has contributed to this big time by losing Cadogan, Walsh and Cahalane. He’ll probably lose a few more, the likes of Kelleher and O’Donoghue would be better rated as footballers, and yet both are involved in hurling.
You’d worry about the future of football in the county, especially when one considers how much better we seem to be organised at hurling level underage now, particularly at schools level.
Canon O’Brien Cup - Cork v UCC Thursday 8th January
The Cork Senior Hurlers open their season with a challenge game v’s U.C.C. in the Canon O’Brien Cup at the Mardyke, Thursday, January 8th at 7:30 p.m.
Cork Senior Hurling Team
[LIST=1]
[]Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
[]Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
[]Colm Barry (Castlelyons)
[]Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers)
[]Cormac Murphy (Mallow)
[]Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)
[]Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
[]Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
[]Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)
[]Seamus Harnedy (St.Ita’s)
[]Bill Cooper (Youghal)
[]Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
[]Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
[]Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
[*]Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
[/LIST]
Strong team for the time of the year.
Darren McCarthy playing outfield is interesting. I would rate him a better keeper than Nash. He is meant to be class outfield for Ballymartle though.
Should Cormac Murphy not be playing for UCC in this?
[QUOTE=“downyourthroats, post: 1067701, member: 1497”]Darren McCarthy playing outfield is interesting. I would rate him a better keeper than Nash. He is meant to be class outfield for Ballymartle though.
Should Cormac Murphy not be playing for UCC in this?[/QUOTE]
3 Club All Stars in a row for Ballymartle, definitely worth a look at anyway.
[QUOTE=“downyourthroats, post: 1067701, member: 1497”]Darren McCarthy playing outfield is interesting. I would rate him a better keeper than Nash. He is meant to be class outfield for Ballymartle though.
Should Cormac Murphy not be playing for UCC in this?[/QUOTE]
Is he UCC? Thought he was CIT.
Cork don’t seem to have learned any lessons in the physical preperation stakes. From what I’ve been told.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1067726, member: 273”]Is he UCC? Thought he was CIT.
Cork don’t seem to have learned any lessons in the physical preperation stakes. From what I’ve been told.[/QUOTE]
he played league games for UCC before Christmas.
What kind of training have Cork been doing?
[QUOTE=“downyourthroats, post: 1067767, member: 1497”]he played league games for UCC before Christmas.
What kind of training have Cork been doing?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much the same training as last year. 400’s are the order of the day. Thats according to a colleague of the trainer.
[QUOTE=“downyourthroats, post: 1067701, member: 1497”]Darren McCarthy playing outfield is interesting. I would rate him a better keeper than Nash. He is meant to be class outfield for Ballymartle though.
Should Cormac Murphy not be playing for UCC in this?[/QUOTE]
Darren Mac is well worth his shot. not exact same, or as good or as proven yet, but he is similar to Bubbles O Dwyer in his style, accuracy and style.
I’m actually very optimistic about the prospects of our hurlers this year.
Ya they have a good and settled squad now and the dual player thing has gone their way.
And there is nothing to fear that much.
Still don’t agree with their conditioning though. It’s not for hurling.
[QUOTE=“downyourthroats, post: 1067701, member: 1497”]Darren McCarthy playing outfield is interesting. I would rate him a better keeper than Nash. He is meant to be class outfield for Ballymartle though.
Should Cormac Murphy not be playing for UCC in this?[/QUOTE]
It would suggest that he is being seriously considered for 6. If he worked out it would make a big difference for cork.
Colm Barry is hardly that tidy a hurler to play in the full back line long term is he?
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1067809, member: 273”]Ya they have a good and settled squad now and the dual player thing has gone their way.
And there is nothing to fear that much.
Still don’t agree with their conditioning though. It’s not for hurling.[/QUOTE]
I don’t worry about their physical fitness. Physically they have all developed over last two or three years.
Mentally the way they folded against Tipp needs to be looked at. Lack of effort in all Ireland semi final from some of them was shameful.
Would like to see management get more ruthless with players and demand a level of effort each training session and each game.
Intensity has to be a given. No question. If they bring that they have a chance. Question then is do you target Munster or train away and take it if it comes …
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067824, member: 2272”]I don’t worry about their physical fitness. Physically they have all developed over last two or three years.
Mentally the way they folded against Tipp needs to be looked at. Lack of effort in all Ireland semi final from some of them was shameful.
Would like to see management get more ruthless with players and demand a level of effort each training session and each game.
Intensity has to be a given. No question. If they bring that they have a chance. Question then is do you target Munster or train away and take it if it comes …[/QUOTE]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guT76kAPYs0
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067824, member: 2272”]I don’t worry about their physical fitness. Physically they have all developed over last two or three years.
Mentally the way they folded against Tipp needs to be looked at. Lack of effort in all Ireland semi final from some of them was shameful.
Would like to see management get more ruthless with players and demand a level of effort each training session and each game.
Intensity has to be a given. No question. If they bring that they have a chance. Question then is do you target Munster or train away and take it if it comes …[/QUOTE]
Their season went on the exact same curve as limerick 2013, they should have learned and be grand by this year. The cunts.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067824, member: 2272”]I don’t worry about their physical fitness. Physically they have all developed over last two or three years.
Mentally the way they folded against Tipp needs to be looked at. Lack of effort in all Ireland semi final from some of them was shameful.
Would like to see management get more ruthless with players and demand a level of effort each training session and each game.
Intensity has to be a given. No question. If they bring that they have a chance. Question then is do you target Munster or train away and take it if it comes …[/QUOTE]
You have a point about mentality. However I believe it’s all intertwined. If you suddenly feel slower to the ball all over the place compared to thoplosition it’s very hard to mentally adjust. I think the whole thing is far more holistic than people think.
GAA people still put everything in boxes
Fitness
Skills
Psychology
Strength
Etc etc.
I don’t believ that at all. The harmony KK have is hard to get to, but they have that. It’s all very fluid.
The dual thing was very damaging as well. All the barstoolers don’t get it, but the whole mentality about getting ready is almost (and is more or less proven) impossible. If physical freaks like Walsh and Cahalane can’t do it then I doubt anyone can. I also believe they lost it mentally, thru no fault of their own. The dual players that is.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1067839, member: 273”]You have about mentality. However I believe it’s all intertwined. If you suddenly feel slower to the ball all over the place compared to thoplosition it’s very hard to mentally adjust. I think the whole thing is far more holistic than people think.
GAA people still put everything in boxes
Fitness
Skills
Psychology
Strength
Etc etc.
I don’t believ that at all. The harmony KK have is hard to get to, but they have that. It’s all very fluid.[/QUOTE]
Concentration and intensity of effort are what they should look for.
I saw Alex Ferguson speak and concentration was what he said was the key ingredient of his teams - concentration at skill development and training and in matches. Concentration then produced intensity.
I think Cork are a bit too “nice”. You need a smell of sulphur from a team.
They also need to work on game management. Stop/slow down a game/speed it up. Break rhythm of other side.
Wide open this year and draw has been decent for Cork.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067844, member: 2272”]Concentration and intensity of effort are what they should look for.
I saw Alex Ferguson speak and concentration was what he said was the key ingredient of his teams - concentration at skill development and training and in matches. Concentration then produced intensity.
I think Cork are a bit too “nice”. You need a smell of sulphur from a team.
They also need to work on game management. Stop/slow down a game/speed it up. Break rhythm of other side.
Wide open this year and draw has been decent for Cork.[/QUOTE]
You are not wrong about any of it.
However I’m somewhat wary these days to compare any top professional side or player to GAA.
It was actually far more compare able back in the 80’s/90’s when a few GAA freaks matched up to them and those lads still had a social life in pro soccer.
Now the pros are looked after to the last whereas what a lot if GAA players are doing now is nearly impossible with work and commitment. The GAA thinks it’s got more professional, but it’s actually just doing loads more at amateur.