Not really. They can be for preliminary rounds instead of finals perhaps. For counties that have proper infrastructure at least. 
No itâs a sure sign Iâve made my point to you and donât new to repeat it.
[QUOTE=âElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 964442, member: 1624â]A couple of points:
If the game is moved to Thurles it will be at the behest of the Munster Council and Limerick will continue to owe Cork one game.
Moroneyâs comments in The Examiner have pretty much confirmed what I said yesterday. The game will be in Thurles.
Waiting for the minor semi-finals makes fuck all difference as either Limerick or Cork are going to be doubly involved on the day.
The latest audit of county grounds reduced the capacity of PUC to 34K. Whilst nothing has been done to the stadium, the method employed in the audit of assessing crowd congestion on terraces (Heads, Shoulders, Hips method for anyone that cares) has determined that the capacity be reduced. Reductions have also taken place in the other provincial venues. For example, Thurles is listed as having a capacity of 53,500. The actual operational capacity since the audit is 49,500. The Gaelic Grounds now sits at 46,000.[/QUOTE]
Comprehensive and objective. End of story.
[QUOTE=âElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 964442, member: 1624â]A couple of points:
If the game is moved to Thurles it will be at the behest of the Munster Council and Limerick will continue to owe Cork one game.
Moroneyâs comments in The Examiner have pretty much confirmed what I said yesterday. The game will be in Thurles.
Waiting for the minor semi-finals makes fuck all difference as either Limerick or Cork are going to be doubly involved on the day.
The latest audit of county grounds reduced the capacity of PUC to 34K. Whilst nothing has been done to the stadium, the method employed in the audit of assessing crowd congestion on terraces (Heads, Shoulders, Hips method for anyone that cares) has determined that the capacity be reduced. Reductions have also taken place in the other provincial venues. For example, Thurles is listed as having a capacity of 53,500. The actual operational capacity since the audit is 49,500. The Gaelic Grounds now sits at 46,000.[/QUOTE]
Facts, facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything thats remotely true.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 964445, member: 273â]I was talking about the last Munster championship game played there, not a Cork-Limerick game.
There has been crushes in games I was at in every Munster ground over the years.
It hasnât been upgraded cos they always knew they wanted to knock it.[/QUOTE]
We all know the reasons why they didnât upgrade, and it makes sense. But if you are willing to let a stadium become unsafe (in terms of newer/more stringent standards) then you have to deal with the consequences. If you decide you arenât going to get your car serviced because you are buying a new one next year, you canât complain if you fail your nct.
Could they play it in Croke Park like Ulster Football Finals a while back? Or maybe take it abroad to the diaspora?
Youâve lost me palâŚ
Fair point. I still believe Cork will get it, with 40k there.
However itâs not that big a deal if they donât. Iâd just be surprised if they let it happen.
[QUOTE=âElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 964442, member: 1624â]A couple of points:
If the game is moved to Thurles it will be at the behest of the Munster Council and Limerick will continue to owe Cork one game.
Moroneyâs comments in The Examiner have pretty much confirmed what I said yesterday. The game will be in Thurles.
Waiting for the minor semi-finals makes fuck all difference as either Limerick or Cork are going to be doubly involved on the day.
The latest audit of county grounds reduced the capacity of PUC to 34K. Whilst nothing has been done to the stadium, the method employed in the audit of assessing crowd congestion on terraces (Heads, Shoulders, Hips method for anyone that cares) has determined that the capacity be reduced. Reductions have also taken place in the other provincial venues. For example, Thurles is listed as having a capacity of 53,500. The actual operational capacity since the audit is 49,500. The Gaelic Grounds now sits at 46,000.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you could flesh this out a bit. What is Heads, Shoulders, Hips method? I remember that report from a few years ago which revised the capacities. I found it very strange that the Gaelic Grounds was reduced by 3,500 while Thurles was reduced by only 4,000.
home and away arrangements are parochial and should never apply to finals but changing the rules half way through the deal is wrong too
Lads giving out about capacity is annoying when under 30k go to the semi-finals.
Has any work been done to Pairc Ui Chaoimh since 1996? I remember the health and safety officer reduced the capacity for that match to 40,000.
Everyone in the terrace should have enough room to do the Hokey Pokey
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 964459, member: 2272â]home and away arrangements are parochial and should never apply to finals but changing the rules half way through the deal is wrong too
Lads giving out about capacity is annoying when under 30k go to the semi-finals.[/QUOTE]
I think youâre right on finals. I donât think giving out about capacity can be dismissed, the fact is that genuine fans that were at previous games would miss out if playing at a reduced capacity stadium. And it is cutting off your nose to spite your face to limit capacity for fair weather fans that will turn up for finals too.
Basically itâs a visual aid to assessing crowd congestion. If you stand at pitch level looking up a stepped terrace the following guidelines apply based on what you can see:
Heads only - Seriously congested and over capacity
Heads & Shoulders - Partially congested and over capacity
Heads, Shoulders & Hips - Uncongested and safe. The recommended status for terracing.
Regarding your other question, no building work has been done since 1996 but they installed those sky-blue seats bought from the defunct Highfield Road in Coventry, if I recall. They proved disastrous and the backs had to be cut off them to make them fit. No wonder nobody used go see Coventry City.
All true. For future years there should be a rule in place that finals are in Thurles as biggest capacity stadium in the province.
As for this year Cork have expectation of a final in Cork and that should be honoured unless Cork agree to a waiver of whatever âgentlemanâs agreementâ is in place.
[QUOTE=âElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 964474, member: 1624â]Basically itâs a visual aid to assessing crowd congestion. If you stand at pitch level looking up a stepped terrace the following guidelines apply based on what you can see:
Heads only - Seriously congested and over capacity
Heads & Shoulders - Partially congested and over capacity
Heads, Shoulders & Hips - Uncongested and safe. The recommended status for terracing.
Regarding your other question, no building work has been done since 1996 but they installed thise sky-blue seats bought from the defunct Highfield Road in Coventry, if I recall. They proved disastrous and the backs had to be cut off them to make them fit. No wonder nobody used go see Coventry City.[/QUOTE]
How could you see the hips of anyone not standing in the first row from pitch level unless it was fairly sparsely populated?
[QUOTE=âElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 964474, member: 1624â]Basically itâs a visual aid to assessing crowd congestion. If you stand at pitch level looking up a stepped terrace the following guidelines apply based on what you can see:
Heads only - Seriously congested and over capacity
Heads & Shoulders - Partially congested and over capacity
Heads, Shoulders & Hips - Uncongested and safe. The recommended status for terracing.
Regarding your other question, no building work has been done since 1996 but they installed thise sky-blue seats bought from the defunct Highfield Road in Coventry, if I recall. They proved disastrous and the backs had to be cut off them to make them fit. No wonder nobody used go see Coventry City.[/QUOTE]
Those seats were the worst idea ever.
I agree, but thatâs the method being used by the âexpertsâ
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 964477, member: 2272â]All true. For future years there should be a rule in place that finals are in Thurles as biggest capacity stadium in the province.
As for this year Cork have expectation of a final in Cork and that should be honoured unless Cork agree to a waiver of whatever âgentlemanâs agreementâ is in place.[/QUOTE]
Corkâs expectations are their own, Munster Council have said they are not the determining factor and there is no obligation to hold a game at an unsuitable venue in deference to âexpectationsâ.
Agree on Thurles. Except that it is possible, however unlikely, that at some point Tipp might reach a final again and then it should be at a neutral venue.