Bec as use thereās so much talk of COVID here the debates are completely circular, Iām guessing you read the thread very little, this has been discussed to death. In some detail last night even.
I donāt blame you either, you couldnāt keep up
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Thatās left me shaken.
I hope you had fun buddy. Thatās where I would have been too if I was still a gassun.
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Glynner will declare take away coffees illegal based on this study occurring, without looking for any results
We must lockdown again to avoid the consequences of locking down. We shall defeat all viruses and death.
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Your first point is incorrect pal. I donāt think we should be locked down for the last year at all regardless. We should have went with the Swedish model from the start.
The more people we get vaccinated the quicker we get out of lockdown you reckon - time will tell mate, the vaccine manufacturers have admitted the vaccines dont give immunity from the virus or stop transmission. What is their purpose then? Oh it reduces symptoms ā surely ivermectin could do the same? Why isnt that an option also?
I donāt think its selfish to question a new vaccine given the above.
Iāll also comment away on restrictions pal. Just because weāve a different view shouldnt mean that my view should be silenced. Its a very important debate.
Iām also aware my opinion is an unpopular one.
We must lockdown for months on end to avoid locking down for a month later in the year
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The swine flu vaccine a few years back was a disaster. People should be entitled to be cautious and not outcasted for it.
My parents know I was down there. Iāll be meeting them today.
They are working and meeting people each day so they can accept it. Iām not sure how they would feel if they were cooked up listening to RTE scaremongering all day.
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A public health nurse confronted my wife in the school one day, enquiring as to whether she would be taking the swine flu vaccine for the kids. My wife said no, because another nurse warned her against it. The public health nurse was infuriated and told my wife that she was a disgrace and an unfit mother, the other half left in tears.
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Lots of European countries have curfews (France national curfew 18.00 to 06.00 I think I read), tighter limits on distance you can go, requirements to carry a form specifying the reason you are leaving your house etc. Ireland has had longer states of ālockdownā but it has been less stringent than many of the lockdowns across Europe at various stages.
No other country has followed that model and Sweden itself has backed away from it. Iām not bothered going into it any more really.
If you want to comment you should inform yourself first. If ivermectin did the same as vaccines why wouldnāt we just produce loads of that and open up? Honestly, thatās really silly. Youāre not in any way thick, youāre a smart guy so you can inform yourself better here if you decide to. Then make your mind up. But donāt make your mind up when you seem to know nothing about it.
Comment away. Know that it makes you look like a crank. You want to whinge about restrictions but wonāt do the one thing you can do to help ease them. You want to complain about the situation, but by your actions you are prolonging it. Does that really make sense?
Youāre right it is an important debate.
Thereās good reason for that.
Hereās the reasons I see to get the vaccine:
1 to protect your own health
2 to protect the health of others
3 the ease restrictions and get us back to normal life
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Youāll say youāre not afraid of Corona virus. Iām not either. But Iād rather not get it. It can have some nasty long term effects for some healthy people. These are proven. Youād prefer the risk of something that is proven can have really bad long terms effects to something that has been rigorously tested and judged safe. Thatās bizarre to me.
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Vaccines stop you getting sick, they arenāt certain about transmission yet but itās highly likely that at the very least it reduces transmission. I expect it will reduce it massively. So getting it protects others. The big risk of covid is the health system being overwhelmed, because of exponential growth. If you take the vaccine you reduce that risk, so getting it protects others. Youāre telling me youād prefer not take it and end up being put on invermectin in the hospital instead, so youād actually prefer to be a burden on the health service. More people vaccinated reduces the risk of variants. If you and a lot more people refuse to take it it increases the risk the of the virus mutating, and undoing the protection that vulnerable people derive from the vaccine.
For all four reasons, refusing the vaccine is, in my view, hugely selfish.
- Again this affects everyone. Restrictions end when enough people are vaccinated. You want restrictions to end, but want everyone else to do it for you. Once again, selfish.
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Excellent post mate in fairness,
I donāt want to repeat myself but with regards to the vaccines, surely their whole purpose should be to provide immunity from the virus and stop transmission of same.
The current ones available from Pzizer, Moderna and Astra Zenica donāt claim to do that. All three pharma companies are also indemnified from any side effects - which I thought was odd.
Isnt it ideal for these corporations that supposedly in order for their product to work everyone has to get them. I donāt believe that has ever been the case previously and I donāt believe its necessary for a virus with a 99.7% recovery.
Where does it end though? For every variant of a coronavirus are we going to lockdown the country going forward as the precedent has been set without a new shiny vaccine?
Israel who are way out in front with regards to vaccination are already referring to a 3rd and 4th booster shot.
Whatever happened to people losing weight, taking vitamins, exercising etc - are we just going to have to take new experimental vaccines forevrer or face being outcasted from society?
I donāt like where we are going as a society with the vaccine passports, its a very dangerous precedent and it will create savage inequality.
Ultimately, we donāt know enough about these vaccines to say if theyāll even be benefical. To be laying everyones futures in their hands in my opinion is niave in the extreme.
To your final point re me being selfish, Iām not advocating anyone to take the vaccines first. Iāve told people within my family the opposite in fact - ie stay clear of them.
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New drug out from Merk called Molnupiravir and is showing stellar results in trials combatting covid. No more excuses, open up the country now!
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Where are you getting the notion that the vaccines donāt provide immunity? Thatās the whole point of a vaccine and all of them are demonstrating high levels of immunity as in greatly reducing moderate to severe illness. The J&J clinical trial had 435 people with symptomatic Covid, not one of the group that got the vaccine was hospitalized or died. Half of the 40k in the trial had comorbidities, so were candidates for serious illness.
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Look, to me those are mostly tangents, none of them are reasons not to take the vaccine.
We donāt have vaccine passports. Thatās an unfounded fear in my view, we do not live in Israel, thank god.
I spelled out five different reasons above why I think not taking the vaccine is selfish. It doesnāt make you less selfish if you advise other people not to take it.
Taking the vaccine helps other people: it helps protect them from the virus, it helps protect the health system from you being a burden on it, and it helps all of us get out of bloody restrictions faster.
Not taking it is completely, utterly, and entirely selfish. You get no benefit from it, and youāve decided to put your unfounded fears over the good it does to the rest of society.
Im sorry pal but there it is.
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Youāre deluded if you think vaccine passports are an āunfounded fearā
As sure as thereās a tail on a cat, an attempt (hopefully unsuccessful) will be made to introduce some form of same.
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