Ireland doesnât have a a serious illness database so when they are going on about vaccinating those who have serious conditions they are talking shlte
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On what basis has it an impact on transmissibility?
The three reasons you identified are contradicted by facts.
So you promoted three lies behind your reasoning. That is telling.
Read my post FFS sake.
Nobody challenges them on anything. It does not seem to matter how wildly inaccurate every single prediction they make is, they are given airtime.
I read your post and I find it interesting when youâve been asked to clarify something you have been unable to.
Letâs try again.
On what basis has it an impact on transmissibility?
If itâs a case where you canât substantiate your argument then just say so.
I didnât say I could substantiate it.
I said that things are all very new in this area but that initial commentary has said that the vaccines are likely to have an effect on transmissibility.
I asked if you would take the vaccine based on this likelihood. Simple question really.
Should I also consider the likelihoods of side effects or do you just think I should take a one eyed view on this?
I donât think you should do anything.
I asked you what you would do.
Well I donât really see an upside to the vaccines for u40s and nobody really seems able to point to a verifiable one.
I think people should be allowed make their own decision on it and not be ostracised or shamed because their choice doesnât agree with others.
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So you wouldnât take the vaccine at the moment. You seem to want some degree of certainty that the vaccines reduce transmission.
Or would you take it if a large degree of certainty was provided in this regard?
At the minute the upside of me getting a vaccine seems negligible.
Covid has been around a year now, I havenât got it, I havenât been a close contact to anyone who has got it. I have known a handful of people personally who have got it. So the chances of me getting it are not certain. I know the data says that Covid is of very little risk to people in my demograph.
The vaccine is in now, we know that it does well in preventing people getting moderate of severe doses of the vaccines, it is a huge upside for the at risk categories in protecting them so there is incentive for those groupings to get vaccinated. But where is the upside of the u40s getting the vaccine? It can cause side effects, we know little of the long term effects of it, we have seen there have been issues with vaccines before and this one was rushed through a process so naturally there are genuine causes for concern.
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Lads think the lockdown will set them free, then the vaccine, then the passportâŚtbh Iâm not sure what the next lie will beâŚbut there will be one.
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This is definitely worth a read. He doesnât refer explicitly to the lidtf faction, but they should be able to recognise themselves
The religion of Covid
credit to John Hayward (@Doc_0):
Every crisis becomes a religion if it lasts long enough.
One factor in that transformation is the Beautiful Theory phenomenon: the power elite insists its remedies are logical and politically correct so they must work, even if the actual evidence shows they obviously donât.
When Beautiful Theories crash into hard, cold reality and shatter, faith is the glue used by the elites to put their precious ideas back together. They need militant faith to get the job done: true believers eager to crush doubt and compel obedience by making war on the infidels.
Some are swept into the faith because they desperately crave a sense of control over the crisis. They need to believe Something Can Be Done, and theyâd rather invest their faith in debunked Beautiful Theories than have no faith at all. Faith is a coin that demands to be spent.
Some crave social approval, and the purveyors of Beautiful Theories have immense political, economic, and cultural power to make their faith seem fashionable. Virtue signaling is such a plague in modern society because the signals are pre-packaged and made very easy to send.
Some arenât even hoping they can assert control over a crisis by converting to its religion. Theyâll settle for just having some meaning, some simplicity, a sense that the righteous will fare better than the unbelievers, that virtue will be rewarded while sin is punished.
Thatâs a very common impulse with the Church of Covid, since the Beautiful Theories were so very obviously wrong. There isnât much left of the faith except the visceral communal satisfaction of hoping unbelievers will be punished for their blasphemies with sickness and death.
That sort of thing happens with all of the crisis religions, although not usually as quickly and obviously as with the Church of Covid. Look at the endless stream of movies about how the world became an apocalyptic hellscape because people didnât believe in global warming.
The last resort of every crisis religion, the last thing that puts asses in the pews, is that addiction to misery porn, the collective hope that unbelievers will suffer someday, and everyone will admit the True Faith was right all along as Judgment Day crashes down upon them.
The elite will never have the humility to admit they were wrong, and theyâll never give up on politically or financially profitable âsolutionsâ even when they obviously donât solve the problem. Founding a crisis religion means they never have to say theyâre sorry.
That applies to some very longstanding crises, like the War on Poverty, whose nostrums long ago transformed into fantastically expensive articles of religious faith even as mountains of data accumulated that proved they were utter failures, and often made the problems worse.
You can look for some telltale signs of a crisis transforming into a religion. The most obvious one is when the high priests tell you the âwarâ youâve been drafted into will never end. They become very angry when asked to define success or failure, or lay out exit strategies.
Watch for the moment when youâre told âscienceâ means not asking questions, defying dogma, or challenging âconsensus.â That is the literal definition of faith, not science.
Always keep an eye out for Moving Goalposts, which are the signature miracle of crisis religions, their version of parting the waters or loaves and fishes. Crisis religions work very hard to make their faith unfalsifiable by constantly changing the standards of evidence.
Check to see if certain people are accumulating huge amounts of money and power from a crisis. Thatâs a pretty good sign itâs turning into a religion. A crisis should be solved as quickly and efficiently as possible. Donât let it fester long enough to become a special interest.
Above all, look for the whiff of arrogance to develop around a crisis. Wise religions and effective crisis managers have something in common: a sense of humility. Crisis religions are militant faiths that quickly become arrogant, smug, and totalitarian.
Dedicated people who truly want to solve a problem will look for evidence their analysis is wrong, or their policies arenât working, and make adjustments as quickly as possible, no matter the cost or embarrassment to themselves. This is humility.
Crisis religions are arrogant. They reject criticism, insist their Beautiful Theories must be right because theyâre ideologically pure - they fit snugly into a worldview that must not be challenged. Their plans only fail because their commands were disobeyed or sabotaged.
The high priests of a crisis religion see devils everywhere, leering at them from the rubble of every failure. Only sin can explain why their Beautiful Theories are tarnished. Failure is never their fault, so it must be yours. They find your lack of faith disturbing.
And you know what? A lot of people want to see the world that way, including a great many self-described atheists. They hunger for the comfort of faith and the vibrant energy of militancy. They want to be right, and they want the wrong to suffer for their folly.
Conservatives think religious faith in the State is terrifying and wonder why so many embrace it. Itâs because uncertainty is much more frightening. A simple false story is better than a complex true one, and with enough faith, maybe we can force the simple story to be true. ##covid-19
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The U.K. has about 700,000 deaths a year. It would be nice if the scaremongering media could ask how many of those 30,000 would be excess deaths.
We genuinely appear to be unable to accept relative risk or death in the West anymore.
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But sure nphet and the government fundamentally disagree with them. Surely someone questioned them or had a go at them over it
311 new cases. 30 deaths.
The schools opening seems to have had no advertise effect on numbers
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12 of the 30 deaths from March.