We will in our holes be locked down next Christmas, another few months is all,
Nearly there now
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You can forget about Stryker Christmas parties this year
Donāt be listening to the polack lads
If the metrics go up high enough the twitterati will blow like the wind back under the bed.
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We will ā¦thereās zero policy or plan of how to get out of this ā¦they canāt keep us locked up for 15 months and then open up when the numbers are similar ā¦
i stand fully over my assertion that it will be at least the 2022/23 football league season before we see crowds of any significance return to sporting venues
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100% correct
you just need to follow the data
they are using case numbers now as a success criteria so they either do an about turn and say they dont matter or we continue in this limp along modeā¦ as you open up more cases are just going to go up not go away - ergo we are in some L5 holding patternā¦ add in the bizarre criteria of wanting to vaccinate all adults for some unknown reason so - yeahā¦ youāre right
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The people are waking up.
How are things going here? I havenāt logged in all week. whats the good news?
The doctors are riding their secretaries
Lovely. We appear to be over the hump so
The families of Kumar are swapping homes
Interesting. Lockdowns donāt work apparently.
The guardian
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Again with the gnomism.
The guardian has turned into a complete fucking rag
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Ah! You just left out a few words in the previous post. Cheers. Iām always interested in your opinion.
In fairness, he has a point there.
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Correlation does not imply causation. The main issue with the conclusions of this article is that the same data was seen in all western countries and US states, regardless of the strictness or timing of their lockdowns. For the purposes of this discussion lockdown refers to āstay at homeā orders including closing ānon essentialā businesses cc @mikehunt. The first wave lasted from March to early summer, there was a milder wave in late summer/fall (at least in cases as testing ramped up), and then a brutal wave in December/January (how unusual, a respiratory disease in winter). Everywhere, except for Norway and Finland who closed their borders in March 2020 and kept them closed.
The only country which didnāt have a lockdown was Sweden and they had the same profile of three waves as everyone else. Their deaths in the first wave were high reaching an average of 100 deaths a day, but their deaths in the Dec/Jan wave were similar also reaching 100 a day in early January but dropping since then like most countries. Many European countries had a far worse experience in Dec/Jan even with lockdowns, even Ireland averaged 50 deaths a day in the first wave but reached 100 deaths a day in January. The UK averaged 1000 deaths a day in the first wave and over 1500 a day in the Dec/Jan wave. The Czech Republic with a similar population to Sweden had very low deaths in the first wave but has been between 100 and 200 deaths a day since October 2020. If there is any pattern itās that countries (and US states) that did best in the first wave did worst in the recent wave.
The same in the US, at least half the states either never had a lockdown or abandoned lockdowns in May 2020. Yet they all had a similar experience, and states that locked down the longest and hardest had the worst wave in Dec/Jan, California for example which went from having one of the lowest death rates to one of the highest. Florida has done better than California since October, without a lockdown.
The evidence in itās totality suggests that lockdowns made marginal difference and had less of an effect as time went on and more people especially the young ignored restrictions. They were justified in March as there were a lot of unknowns, but since then they have become the default tool of governments who frankly had no clue what to do. A sceptic would say they are the response of governments who royally fucked up in their approach, and completely failed to protect the most vulnerable in nursing homes and hospitals.
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