Coronavirus - Here come the variants

[iron_mike]

Be the hokey

[dodgy_keeper]

Mullen Mullen Mullen

[StoneCold]

[Biff_Egan]

Eddie on board…

Eddie O'Sullivan (TheRealEddieOS)

[Lazarus]

Possibly the only worthwhile question ever asked in the History of the Irish Seanad

[The_Most_Infamous]

Excellent question from Mullen in fairness.

[tallback]

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@Tierneevin1979

Where are you getting the notion that the vaccines don’t provide immunity? That’s the whole point of a vaccine and all of them are demonstrating high levels of immunity as in greatly reducing moderate to severe illness. The J&J clinical trial had 435 people with symptomatic Covid, not one of the group that got the vaccine was hospitalized or died. Half of the 40k in the trial had comorbidities, so were candidates for serious illness.

Its too early to tell for definite mate. High levels of immunity isnt immunity. I think boosters will be needed before next winter and then there’s always going to be new variants.

You can’t tell me anything about long term side effects of these vaccines - they’re not around long enough, fingers crossed they’re fine, but we’ve seen in the recent past problems with the Swine Flu jabs that arent apparent initially.

Why do apply a completely different standard of risk analysis to vaccines as opposed to Covid itself? It’s bizarre.

You’re surely a hide under the bed merchant deep down considering your levels of worry.

I’ve no fear whatsoever about getting covid mate - 12 month in now. I don’t fear it at all as a reasonably healthy 35 year old. I’d be surprised if it affected my health in any way bar maybe a sore throat or something if I where to get it.

I’m reluctant to take the vaccines as I’ve no fear about getting Covid the same way that I’ve no fear of the flu and never got that jab in the past.

I wouldnt criticise anyone for taking the vaccines. Each to their own. It should be a personal decision that is accepted and not derided.

But based on any available and credible facts, that is not a rational assessment of risk.

[glasagusban]

He has alternative facts.

[The_Most_Infamous]

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@Tierneevin1979

Where are you getting the notion that the vaccines don’t provide immunity? That’s the whole point of a vaccine and all of them are demonstrating high levels of immunity as in greatly reducing moderate to severe illness. The J&J clinical trial had 435 people with symptomatic Covid, not one of the group that got the vaccine was hospitalized or died. Half of the 40k in the trial had comorbidities, so were candidates for serious illness.

Its too early to tell for definite mate. High levels of immunity isnt immunity. I think boosters will be needed before next winter and then there’s always going to be new variants.

You can’t tell me anything about long term side effects of these vaccines - they’re not around long enough, fingers crossed they’re fine, but we’ve seen in the recent past problems with the Swine Flu jabs that arent apparent initially.

Why do apply a completely different standard of risk analysis to vaccines as opposed to Covid itself? It’s bizarre.

You’re surely a hide under the bed merchant deep down considering your levels of worry.

I’ve no fear whatsoever about getting covid mate - 12 month in now. I don’t fear it at all as a reasonably healthy 35 year old. I’d be surprised if it affected my health in any way bar maybe a sore throat or something if I where to get it.

I’m reluctant to take the vaccines as I’ve no fear about getting Covid the same way that I’ve no fear of the flu and never got that jab in the past.

I wouldnt criticise anyone for taking the vaccines. Each to their own. It should be a personal decision that is accepted and not derided.

But based on any available and credible facts, that is not a rational assessment of risk.

Flesh out those facts for me mate?

I reckon my risk of dying with Covid at 35 years of age with no underlying illnesses is pretty much zero. Same as the seasonal flu in fact.

Do you have anything to hand to suggest otherwise?

[tallback]

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@Tierneevin1979

Where are you getting the notion that the vaccines don’t provide immunity? That’s the whole point of a vaccine and all of them are demonstrating high levels of immunity as in greatly reducing moderate to severe illness. The J&J clinical trial had 435 people with symptomatic Covid, not one of the group that got the vaccine was hospitalized or died. Half of the 40k in the trial had comorbidities, so were candidates for serious illness.

Its too early to tell for definite mate. High levels of immunity isnt immunity. I think boosters will be needed before next winter and then there’s always going to be new variants.

You can’t tell me anything about long term side effects of these vaccines - they’re not around long enough, fingers crossed they’re fine, but we’ve seen in the recent past problems with the Swine Flu jabs that arent apparent initially.

Why do apply a completely different standard of risk analysis to vaccines as opposed to Covid itself? It’s bizarre.

You’re surely a hide under the bed merchant deep down considering your levels of worry.

I’ve no fear whatsoever about getting covid mate - 12 month in now. I don’t fear it at all as a reasonably healthy 35 year old. I’d be surprised if it affected my health in any way bar maybe a sore throat or something if I where to get it.

I’m reluctant to take the vaccines as I’ve no fear about getting Covid the same way that I’ve no fear of the flu and never got that jab in the past.

I wouldnt criticise anyone for taking the vaccines. Each to their own. It should be a personal decision that is accepted and not derided.

But based on any available and credible facts, that is not a rational assessment of risk.

Flesh out those facts for me mate?

I reckon my risk of dying with Covid at 35 years of age with no underlying illnesses is pretty much zero. Same as the seasonal flu in fact.

Do you have anything to hand to suggest otherwise?

No I agree your risk is relatively low but not immaterial. Off the top of my head 5-10% of cases in that age group end up in hospital with a much lower % dying. Long Covid is a risk but I don’t have a sense of % for that. Prob the bigger risk is you get it and transmit it to someone with a higher risk profile but I haven’t got the sense that transmission is a high concern for you.

However, there is no data to suggest a comparable level of risk from taking a vaccine - the data would suggest much much lower if at all, yet you seem far more concerned about this risk - which relatively speaking is in the hapenny place to the virus.

That’s the irrational bit - your comparison of relative risk

[glasagusban]

Proven risk v made up in his head risk.

[Batigol]

@Lazarus

Possibly the only worthwhile question ever asked in the History of the Irish Seanad

I honestly cannot get my head around this. Why is no one asking any member of the zero-COVID crew (on any of their many, many media appearances) a single question about it? I’ve not seen or heard if even mentioned once. What in the name of Christ is going on?

[Lazarus]

Because even allowing for his demolition job on Neale Richmond the other night McGuirk is toxic

[Biff_Egan]

In the simplistic binary world of Irish media if you’re against Zero Covid you are for Covid and want to kill grannies. Except NPHET, they get a pass for being against it because they are experts

[The_Most_Infamous]

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@Tierneevin1979

Where are you getting the notion that the vaccines don’t provide immunity? That’s the whole point of a vaccine and all of them are demonstrating high levels of immunity as in greatly reducing moderate to severe illness. The J&J clinical trial had 435 people with symptomatic Covid, not one of the group that got the vaccine was hospitalized or died. Half of the 40k in the trial had comorbidities, so were candidates for serious illness.

Its too early to tell for definite mate. High levels of immunity isnt immunity. I think boosters will be needed before next winter and then there’s always going to be new variants.

You can’t tell me anything about long term side effects of these vaccines - they’re not around long enough, fingers crossed they’re fine, but we’ve seen in the recent past problems with the Swine Flu jabs that arent apparent initially.

Why do apply a completely different standard of risk analysis to vaccines as opposed to Covid itself? It’s bizarre.

You’re surely a hide under the bed merchant deep down considering your levels of worry.

I’ve no fear whatsoever about getting covid mate - 12 month in now. I don’t fear it at all as a reasonably healthy 35 year old. I’d be surprised if it affected my health in any way bar maybe a sore throat or something if I where to get it.

I’m reluctant to take the vaccines as I’ve no fear about getting Covid the same way that I’ve no fear of the flu and never got that jab in the past.

I wouldnt criticise anyone for taking the vaccines. Each to their own. It should be a personal decision that is accepted and not derided.

But based on any available and credible facts, that is not a rational assessment of risk.

Flesh out those facts for me mate?

I reckon my risk of dying with Covid at 35 years of age with no underlying illnesses is pretty much zero. Same as the seasonal flu in fact.

Do you have anything to hand to suggest otherwise?

No I agree your risk is relatively low but not immaterial. Off the top of my head 5-10% of cases in that age group end up in hospital with a much lower % dying. Long Covid is a risk but I don’t have a sense of % for that. Prob the bigger risk is you get it and transmit it to someone with a higher risk profile but I haven’t got the sense that transmission is a high concern for you.

However, there is no data to suggest a comparable level of risk from taking a vaccine - the data would suggest much much lower if at all, yet you seem far more concerned about this risk - which relatively speaking is in the hapenny place to the virus.

That’s the irrational bit - your comparison of relative risk

Ok, 5-10% of people end up in hospital at my age - have you got a source for that mate?

Have you also got a source for long covid symptoms? I reckon there is very little research done on that to date,

I’ve seen nothing to suggest either of the above are a worry for my health personally. In relation to my views on transmission - you’re totally wrong, I’ve played by the so called rules all along,

Lets not forget - no one in my family has had Covid, if you want to use that stick, can you say the same mate?

Ultimately, no one including your good self can tell me or anyone else about long term side effects of these vaccines- thats where my reservation regarding them comes from,

Hopefully they’ll be absolutely fine - that would be ideal, but the noise coming from Israel as an example suggests a 3rd and 4th booster shot will be needed etc etc…

Where does it end? And if I don’t take a vaccine - surely yours protects you? And if doesnt, whats the point of it?

[Batigol]

Are all of our media that blinded by their hate for him that they will ignore something this big? These ISAG lads want to take over people’s lives for the best part of a year, and do so on the back of bogus statements and “attacking people rather than institutions” and no paper or TV or radio or website will even mention it?!

[Perez2017]

Wont we be nearly at zero covid in about 8 weeks?

[The_Most_Infamous]

Debate the post not the poster Glas.

[The_Most_Infamous]

Covid is here for good mate in one form or another. We need to learn to live with it and get on with things.

[backinatracksuit]

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@tallback

@The_Most_Infamous

@Tierneevin1979

Where are you getting the notion that the vaccines don’t provide immunity? That’s the whole point of a vaccine and all of them are demonstrating high levels of immunity as in greatly reducing moderate to severe illness. The J&J clinical trial had 435 people with symptomatic Covid, not one of the group that got the vaccine was hospitalized or died. Half of the 40k in the trial had comorbidities, so were candidates for serious illness.

Its too early to tell for definite mate. High levels of immunity isnt immunity. I think boosters will be needed before next winter and then there’s always going to be new variants.

You can’t tell me anything about long term side effects of these vaccines - they’re not around long enough, fingers crossed they’re fine, but we’ve seen in the recent past problems with the Swine Flu jabs that arent apparent initially.

Why do apply a completely different standard of risk analysis to vaccines as opposed to Covid itself? It’s bizarre.

You’re surely a hide under the bed merchant deep down considering your levels of worry.

I’ve no fear whatsoever about getting covid mate - 12 month in now. I don’t fear it at all as a reasonably healthy 35 year old. I’d be surprised if it affected my health in any way bar maybe a sore throat or something if I where to get it.

I’m reluctant to take the vaccines as I’ve no fear about getting Covid the same way that I’ve no fear of the flu and never got that jab in the past.

I wouldnt criticise anyone for taking the vaccines. Each to their own. It should be a personal decision that is accepted and not derided.

But based on any available and credible facts, that is not a rational assessment of risk.

Flesh out those facts for me mate?

I reckon my risk of dying with Covid at 35 years of age with no underlying illnesses is pretty much zero. Same as the seasonal flu in fact.

Do you have anything to hand to suggest otherwise?

No I agree your risk is relatively low but not immaterial. Off the top of my head 5-10% of cases in that age group end up in hospital with a much lower % dying. Long Covid is a risk but I don’t have a sense of % for that. Prob the bigger risk is you get it and transmit it to someone with a higher risk profile but I haven’t got the sense that transmission is a high concern for you.

However, there is no data to suggest a comparable level of risk from taking a vaccine - the data would suggest much much lower if at all, yet you seem far more concerned about this risk - which relatively speaking is in the hapenny place to the virus.

That’s the irrational bit - your comparison of relative risk

Where does it end? And if I don’t take a vaccine - surely yours protects you? And if doesnt, whats the point of it?

None of the vaccines are 100% effective, this is an important point in relation to that statement. Not really with regard to @tallback assuming he’s in good health but many people aren’t