Youâre worse for getting into the same argument thatâs been done 100 times on here. As you said, youâre a parent now and you see things completely different now that youâre not putting yourself first anymore.
The Fulvio Index nailed it the last time.
33k - 65k for a job that is about 30 hrs a week and weâll say circa 85 days annual.
Compare and contrast that with a job thatâs a 40 hour week with 25 days annual leave.
So youâre taking your base salary of 33k.
You equate that into a 40 hr standard week. That become 44k.
You then look at the annual leave perk. A standard job Mon - Fri job you have probably 250 working days, a figure taking into account bank holidays and public holidays etc.
So the standard worker probably has 225 working days, 25 annual leave days.
So we then factor in working days. That probably ramps up the basic salary that should be benchmarked against your normal worker from 44k to 60k.
So the effective starting salary for a teacher is 60k.
And thatâs before you even factor in pension entitlements and job security.
So a teacherâs salary is 60k-120k if you imply the same working standards an average full time employee. And thatâs on the conservative side. I note from doing a quick search, it seems to be 35-70k with a number of additional salary payments depending on their educational qualifcations. So youâre probably looking at teacherâs salary being 70k-130k. Not many industries will give that to an entry level employee who never even has to climb the career ladder.
And thatâs not enough, they consistently strike, hold the people to ransom, screw the children they are paid extortionately well enough to educate. They are utterly, utterly shameless. Their conduct over the past number of months has been a new low, even for them. Cynically using a health crisis to further their own interests as healthcare workers suck up all the shite thrown at them in the meantime.
Itâs times to cut the teachers and pay the nurses.
Theyâre not. I gave out the annual salary for a teacher. I gave out the average salary in Ireland.
Here are my sources:
Youâre still refusing to acknowledge the core point of the post you replied to.
Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy:
Your stats were misleading. You neglected to mention the leave they get in November, December, January, Ferbuary, March/April along with that in June/July/Aug.
Iâm reporting their salary not their annual leave.
And leave in November, December, Jan, Feb, March/April along with June/July/Aug
Correct. Iâm not arguing with that at all.
You neglected to mention it in your post.
I donât have to mention everything in my post.
My point was would many people take on additional work for two months of the summer? The other leave during the year is quite piecemeal so it wouldnât align itself to an additional employment
Why not? They have 4 months off in the year.
I also indexed a part time worker like a teacher and their pay against your standard full time worker.
33k - 65k for a job that is about 30 hrs a week and weâll say circa 85 days annual.
Compare and contrast that with a job thatâs a 40 hour week with 25 days annual leave.
So youâre taking your base salary of 33k.
You equate that into a 40 hr standard week. That become 44k.
You then look at the annual leave perk. A standard job Mon - Fri job you have probably 250 working days, a figure taking into account bank holidays and public holidays etc.
So the standard worker probably has 225 working days, 25 annual leave days.
So we then factor in working days. That probably ramps up the basic salary that should be benchmarked against your normal worker from 44k to 60k.
So the effective starting salary for a teacher is 60k.
And thatâs before you even factor in pension entitlements and job security.
So a teacherâs salary is 60k-120k if you imply the same working standards an average full time employee. And thatâs on the conservative side. I note from doing a quick search, it seems to be 35-70k with a number of additional salary payments depending on their educational qualifcations. So youâre probably looking at teacherâs salary being 70k-130k. Not many industries will give that to an entry level employee who never even has to climb the career ladder.
And thatâs not enough, they consistently strike, hold the people to ransom, screw the children they are paid extortionately well enough to educate. They are utterly, utterly shameless. Their conduct over the past number of months has been a new low, even for them. Cynically using a health crisis to further their own interests as healthcare workers suck up all the shite thrown at them in the meantime.
Itâs times to cut the teachers and pay the nurses.
So you agree that it takes ten years for a full-time teacher to get to the average salary in Ireland?
Because thatâs what the statistics say.
But think of the job satisfaction
Iâm surprised at you taking the bait here.
It takes most professions 10 years or more (or never) to reach the average full time workers and these people are full time workers, not part time workers like teachers.
You seem to be ignoring the vastly comprehensive Fulvio Index above which cuts out any misinformation.
Iâm here waiting on a Teams meeting to kick off pal. Just said Iâd have a bit of craic
Iâve read it, but it doesnât matter a jot. At the end of the day, take home pay is whatâs important here. It should also be noted than many teachers started off on precarious short term contracts, subbing etc, with no summer pay, so it could take them much longer than the ten years from qualification to annual average salary.
It would take more than that if a teacher did not get a full time job in their first few years remember.
Just made that point, but sure look it, some lads had a worse experience of their school days than others, and Iâm sure that clouds their perspective.
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Another factor to consider is time in education.
Primary teachers all have to do a masters level course to qualify now.
Itâs not @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy doing a one week course to get his safety cert to noodle around the warehouse all day.
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Youâre going to continue in this vein now?
