do you take issue with my accurate description of left leaning voters in this country?
we can deal with israel seperatly but the major difference there is most of the working class are extremely right wing as they are radicalised by primative issues around nationalism. ( like SF voters here who swing left)
Israel dosent have a tiered benifit culture system like this country where if smart you can be rewarded for indolence. Instead as i have covered here before it is a capitalist âcountryâ that has the basic structure of a communist state ( kibbutzim) so as a result the basic systems like health are very well established⌠hand outs dont really exist and look if you do fk all youâll stay at the bottom
Now here, working class to social welfare housing estate dwellers would by and large swing left, they too would have a very very primative outlook politically but are left wing because the Mode of operation of left wing politics in this country PBP, etc defines âfairnessâ as âgetting your shareâ⌠they have no intrest in work, economic development or enterprise , they define themselves as a group who want to better line the pockets of those who do not contribute by merely cutting more form those who do
I 100% agree with that - we may not all agree but we should all respect each otherâs right to voice an opinion and thank @Bandage for facilitating that
its scary and those cheerleading Trunp having his content removed despite the fact that what he represents the votes of 60+ millions people are supporting a dangerous precedent.
The wheel will turnâŚ
I work mate but if you have such an opinion on Irish life why dont you come back, live here and do something about it? Obviously your missus wears the trousers and you cant.
Thatâs a mad stat, but delivered in such a way as to think you havenât just made it up.
1 in 108 chance of dying in a car crash? In Ireland?
How is that broken down, 108 would be the occupants of like 20-25 houses
its not made upâŚim actually suprised myself⌠i cant remember where i read that.
either wayâŚwhen confronted with that statistic it helps put in to perspective the hysterical fashion how covid numbers are publishedâŚand you are right ⌠all summary dated presented as such is misleading - it needs to be bucketed much like that side by side bar chart i showed a few posts up from i cant remember who it was Duke or someone ( its referenced anyway)⌠if covid numbers were presented that way do you think people would care?
Whatâs there to answer? Health services being âoverrunâ seems to be a subjective analysis and political football based on what suits your argument. Pre-covid it was consistently overrun by winter flu. They decided to postpone operations and screenings of various other health care screenings during lockdown in thrall to covid. Overrun is a political assessment rather than any basis of fact re covid - itâs constantly âoverrunâ without resorting to lockdowns. We should have locked down every winter when people were lying on trolleys based on that logic. And this is all ignoring the fact treatment options and outcomes are vastly different now to April along with a vaccine on the slate. @mickee321 has provided that data of who does and doesnât die from this lethal virus. Deal with that.
How many of the punters who this thing unfortunately claimed would have seen out too many more days covid or no covid ? obviously its a question that may sound rather brutal but after the first lockdown we had data to be able to make that call.
There must be a trade off in every decision that is madeâŚi said it back June that those folk in the crosshairs needed to be protected and given that the vast majority were already incarcerated in nursing homes extreme measures needed to be taken with securing these buildings and providing staff with adequate PPE and hope for the best. Tough? Yeah but we all have personal responsibility and by fuck if you are in a compromised position you sure as hell do⌠stay the fuck indoors if you are at risk
I would have let this thing rip thru the community- leave it off and get it done with ⌠what have we done⌠weâve suppressed, allowed boom and repeat like a sine wave and we are getting nowhere because we have decided to prevent immunity as we keep people suppressed
It was the wrong decision IMHO
The folks who have most to loose from rolling lockdowns have the least to gain⌠those who need the lockdown are already locked down anyway and have one hand on the departure door.
society made the wrong call
So, 0.065% is the mortality rate for the population of Ireland since Covid began, you canât compare it to a lifetime mortality rate of dying in a car crash.
We donât know exactly how many people got infected, but if we use 50% asymptomatic, then 385,290 people got infected so far in Ireland (twice the case numbers), based on that the Infection Fatality Rate is 0.8%. Thatâs a bit low for western Europe, the average across western Europe is 1.2%, but itâs similar to the US. As time goes on, itâs a remarkably consistent statistic, IFR range of 0.8% to 1.2%.
If you break it down by age group, itâs about 0.02% (2 in 10,000) for age 0-30, 0.2% (2 in 1,000) for ages 30-50, 1% for ages 50-65, 4% for ages 65 to 75, 11% for ages 75 to 85, and 21% for above 85. So, you are correct itâs a disease that largely impacts older people. The case fatality rate for those under 50 is ~0.1%, while for over 50 is ~5%.
One thing thatâs changed over the past year, as time has gone on, more young people are getting infected than older people, so thatâs driven down the fatality rate.
cheers @Tierneevin1979 - great post
youâd never hear Feghal Bowers leading on 61 tho telling folk under 30 to relax as its almost statistically impossible for them to dieâŚ
Have we really any idea who, or how many are getting infected based on a 45 cycle pcr test. 97% false positive if some article I posted in reliable. Where does this leave infection rates, mortality or anything else.
And none of us has the slightest idea of how long itâs been aroundâŚfrance and italy say September 19, comforting in a wayâŚbut is this based on our testing?
Est thing is to stoke up vit d levels, let the young people mix like mad and rely on ivermectin.