Youâd be depressed too if you had scarred lung tissue. An awful thing to display to the world ⌠Thereâs awful stigma around it.
Itâs a phrase coined by the scaremongers. Fellas like George Lee and Sam mcconkey arenât just going to walk off into the sunset in a few weeks when this over they need something to hold onto to stay relevant.
âProbablyâ does he think thereâs a chance of getting rid of it?
myboyblue:
Who knows, who can tell?
How many of the other 18 covids did we get rid of?
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Anyone for the last few choc ices now
I wonder who was the CMO during the Spanish Flu of 1919? Tony Holohans great grandfather?
Those Parliamentary Party meetings are some joke.
They may as well live stream them
They just come out with these big statements with nothing to back them up.
Its a bit like TFK I suppose.
Ralphie
February 3, 2021, 7:20pm
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Bressie wants Si back calling the shots
Thank you. I am just trying to offer the corrective of common sense, logic and pragmatism. There is no magic bullet and I certainly have no easy answers to proffer. A lot of this process is tragic.
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Tim_Riggins:
Malarkey:
No one from the OIUTF brigade, least of all you, has been able to answer the core ethical/philosophical/political/medical crux: why should the state allow someone to take risk for others upon themself? What would be the justification for this scenario?
Except that is literally what you are doing. A great many people are still at work, all to keep other portions of the population not only fed and watered, but receiving the same consumer items they crave.
Lockdown âworksâ because of this, opening up a two tier society of the WFH heroes and others.
It is a bit beyond your levels of thinking, but for all of itâs faults, it is a consideration of the Great Barrington Declaration. That is that it is immoral to continuously ask certain portions of society to stay at home and not others.
As has been pointed out to you, many of the arch Brexiteers are fully in favour of lockdowns such as Neil OâBrien. There has been this effort to characterise Gupta as one of the Koch brothers, she comes from the left in fact. One of her primary concerns is global hunger caused by this. Indeed this is a concern expressed by the WHO, who have repeatedly said that overuse of lockdowns and travel restrictions lead to this.
One of the great concerns out there is not to have âage apartheidâ, but there is actually quite a clear accepted apartheid between certain types of jobs. They can go out there to fulfill the needs of others for months on end, whilst those people heroically sit at home. And this leads to further consequences, for example teacher unions objecting to going back to work. This was warned about in April, when Denmark opened their schools and warned of the consequences of not. At the time, our real leader Tony Holohan said absolutely not when Varadkar suggested it. Martin spent nearly all of his political capital in keeping them open until Christmas and now children are going to miss another large chunk of their education. That is the problem with putting this all on a pedestal, teachers start to ask why should they risk themselves if others arenât? And all of that leads to others not getting the education they deserve. Itâs very easy for people who have got their education and lived a lot of their life to not give a damn about others when they have been through it, and when they will look after their own childrenâs education.
Youâve gone through this like Mike making up positions of people. There might be people who are more hardcore or less on being anti lockdown, but there are a range of views. I have always advocated strong testing and tracing, increasing hospital capacity, strong regulation of bars and restaurants and flooding the country with money where need, all of which requires a lot of State intervention. Indeed Iâd argue that this is a far more activist âStateâ, giving stronger responsibilities to them than just borrowing money from future generations to pay people to sit at home.
I do not think Great Barrington is practical, but it is far more thought through from a âethical/philosophical/political/medical cruxâ perspective than just LoCkDoWn FoReVeR.
You are fatuous⌠The spectacle is almost funny.
AlmostâŚ
An all or nothing, black or white, âteachers unionsâ-hating, Zero Covid versus FREEDOM, OIUTF versus Lockdown Forever, straw man merchant.
Everyone takes the same risk or no one takes any risk⌠Would say you were terrific on the old video games.
Utterly fatuousâŚ
Mr Managerialism, seeking a new stirrup (and carrots) for his low pony.
Eloquently made â and true â point. Fair play.
Rocko
February 3, 2021, 9:32pm
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briantinnion:
Malarkey:
I am talking about âriskâ as regards the lights of political philosophy. This whole process is underpinned by certain (political) concepts drawn from certain (philosophical) positions. The OIUTF stuff is essentially drawn from a splice of libertarianism (the state must be minimized, on principle) and utilitarianism (economic considerations must override consideration of the vulnerable). The lockdown imperative is essentially drawn from John Rawlsâ social contractualism. These terms might sound abstract but they actually have been highly agent over the last ten months or so in the various debates.
Core question: why do you feel you have the right to take on risk for me? This query is what the core issue looks like, shorn of posturing. Where is your right to do so?
Of course there are different kinds of risk. Medical risk varies, depending on someoneâs standing and age. Economic risk varies, depending on an individualâs occupation. But these kinds of risk are subservient to the overall principle of âriskâ.
⌠Wood drastically â Wood âdrastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth.â You got that from Vickers, âWork in Essex County,â page 98, right? Yeah, I read that too. Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us? Do you have any thoughts of your own on this matter? Or do youâŚis that your thing? You come into a bar. You read some obscure passage and then pretendâŚyou pawn it off as your own idea just to impress some girls and embarrass my friend? See the sad thing about a guy like you is in 50 years youâre gonna start doinâ some thinkinâ on your own and youâre gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One: donât do that. And two: You dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckinâ education you couldaâ got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library.
This might just be the greatest thing youâve ever done in your life.
And thatâs saying something. A great man.
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