The hospitals being overwhelmed does little for people suffering from the impacts of lockdown restrictions.
Those with mental health issues
Domestic abuse victims
The people whose jobs and livelihoods have been ruined
People with addiction problems not getting the suppers they need
People with mental and physical disabilities
So you want to give those groupings the two fingers, is it?
There was definitely an element of that too.
Truth.
fuck all that, this is covid! look at the hospital admissions!
Nope, now thatās a false dichotomy.
What I am saying is that it is not sustainable to continue to ask people who work in shops and the essential supply chain to work whilst others get paid to sit at home. It is immoral to expose them to that level of risk and expect the economy & society to continue ticking.
This could have happened with no vaccine, a central point of the GB Declaration.
Once again, I just simply do not think the Lockdown works as a consistent policy choice. I was pro Lockdown initially but donāt think the evidence supports them working long term. I am sanguine about the latest lockdown as there is an end in sight if it keeps the panic down.
Lads seem to think that because Sweden are locking down for the first time now as the vaccine is rolled out is some sort of disaster. Itās the complete opposite. They kept the fire burning and the rescue ships are nearly here. They won we lost.
I see. So society grinds to a halt on icu capacity but god forbid anyone talks about a range of interventions which would avoid this madnes
How about the 40 doctors sent home due to fraudulent, criminal or negligent pcr tests? 40% of ambulance workers absent here, hospital capacity being determined purely on the basis of staff absenteeism etc.
Utter madness. What do you propose if he have a bad flu year, or e en a mold one of the logic is that no one must be allowed to die?
ātwo fingersā is your rhetoric.
You ignored ā as you had to ā the question: a stressed medical service, let alone an overwhelmed medical service, will have negative consequences for everyone, because none of us know when we might fall ill in some fashion. I do not believe in ignoring such realities.
Are you seriously urging ā as is your implication ā Ireland and Britain be opened back up tomorrow morning? Are you urging this scenario to help the suicidal, cancer victims, and so on? Is this position your one?
Are they though?
So if we tested less and had more hospital beds weād have no crisis?
Well thatās what the under the bed head bangers are telling us. They think Sweden failed. They didnāt.
So you either want everyone working or no one? With a preference for everyone. During a pademic. No room for any measure of anything in between?
All your argument is based on something that hasnāt happened. There is a vaccine. That was the whole point.
So you were pro lockdown and when the wind changed you changed your stance. The first one worked - but subsequent ones havenāt. Despite the virus being the same and people being the same and all known variables being the same. But other lockdowns havenāt worked despite you agreeing the first one worked. The mind boggles
I have strong suspicion your mood changed when Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael exited stage left as the lead and entered stage right as the support
There is no proper comparison between Covid 19 and bad flu. Do you think governments all over the world have taken severe economic hits for the craic? You really need to stop that stuff. It demeans the good points you have to make.
We do not live in a perfect world ā medical personnel included. We live in a fallen world. But this truth has little to do with how best to deal with this crisis.
Heās been salivating for and promoting this scenario for years. Itās blatantly obvious that he should have been sacked years ago. He gets kicked into touch a few months ago and then he walks straight back into no 10. Iād say heāll need round the clock protection if he keeps this ip
This is it for me in a nutshell and shows the seriousness of what we are dealing with.
Over and over and over again.
Thatās not the point I was making. But what do you do the next time we have an infectious respiratory virus. What if itās half as seriousā¦do we go on as normal?
Yes.
But try telling that to the Kangosā¦
As I said, their world view was formed long before early 2020. Like most sensible lay people, I am simply trying to absorb matters as they appear.
Lockdown 1 in Ireland was pointless. That is hindsight but thatās what the evidence shows. Fear mostly drove R below 1. As we can see with the likes of Sweden, seasonality resulted in hospitals emptying out anyway. Again, I supported the first lockdown, but it didnāt do anything to impact on hospitalisations.
Lockdown 2 in Ireland achieved little. Once again, Fear drove R down during October. Lockdown 2 by their own admission resulted increase close contacts, unhappiness with the levels of mobility and ultimately more cases than they thought. Unless you are advocating for Chinese style rules, you arenāt going to stop people mingling if they feel they can.
Diminishing returns on Lockdown were directly cited by NPHET in March 2020, they just forgot their own advice.
That leads us right into Christmas, where people, sick and tired of restrictions - ālet looseā. We are now facing a far worse hospital situation than March. If people react to how they did to Level 5 in November (i.e. increase their contacts), it wonāt improve the virus figures.
The blunt use and overuse of restrictions and lockdowns has lead us to this point. Iāve never advocated for no restrictions, but I think we have favoured using them too much versus trying to conduct proper test and trace.
Mass hysteria is the excuse iāve heard for multiple governments imposing restrictions or China is the other excuse.
This is from the ones engaging in mass hysteria about the same restrictions.