There have, this is why guidance and warnings are often updated on existing vaccines.
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Which vaccine in our lifetime was statistically more dangerous than the ailment it was designed to prevent?
Iām not feigning any expertise here, again Iām interested in specifics
The vaccine serves no purpose for people under 40.
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The swine flu vaccine was implicated in some narcolepsy cases I think
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Why are you asking me? Did I say one was?
Itās not proof of anything. Approx 32k people died in the state in 2018 and 2019. 2020 figures havenāt been released yet. Assuming a similar number in 2020, thatās 2,600+ people that die every month. Farmer said that 1,000 covid deaths in Jan was āhorrificā but thereās no breakdown of those, as quoted officially by the state ācovid linked deathsā, being people who have died because of covid or happened to die with it, due to being in hospital. Iām using 2,600 as a monthly average but deaths in January tend to be higher. So again, those 1,000 horrific covid deaths have no context. Up to apprpx 3,000 people die in a normal January. The 1,000 figure used by the state is emotive posturing without:
Total deaths in Jan
Approx excess Jan deaths v prior
Health and age breakdown of deaths
Details of where transmission of covid occurred (hosp/non-hosp)
Estimate of this 1,000 deaths due to vs with Covid
Without these details and statistics and context, saying 1,000 covid link deaths is just pushing an agenda and you have people going around quoting 1,000 āhorrificā covid deaths.
If you canāt talk deaths and statistics and data without getting emotive, when these so called āstatsā are being used to impose unprecedented restrictions, I donāt know what to tell you.
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Can you read my post again and correct your error.
Iām going to call it here. The numbers wonāt get down to anything like they were last summer or even in November. If they get down to 700 a day by the end of March thatās as good as it will get.
You mentioned problems with previous vaccines as being a reason not to take this one.
Surely that doesnāt make sense if theyāve all been statistically safer than the alternative?
I wonder is it in hospitals now and they cannot control it.
So youāve just acknowledged that there have been problems with previous vaccines. Weāre in agreementā¦
Well you were saying the quoted 1000 covid deaths were proof lockdowns donāt work - Iām saying itās not proof of anything without further data/breakdown of said quoted figure. It probably would have been more appropriate to reply to farmer but yours worked also as a segue to the rant.
Thatās the spirit!
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Are you trying to say something, give some opinion or data? Youāve just replied with a twitter link.
Iād say under 60 even as long as they donāt have underlying health conditions.
mRNA hasnt been around long enough for anyone to know for sure with regards to long term side effects etc
Elderly patients are dying from it as per @Tim_Riggins post from the Irish Times yesterday. Of course those misfortunes died of āend of lifeā etc
The double standards are staggering.
At the very least, people should have the right to chose for themselves without being labelled anti-vaxxers.
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Forever?
Yeah Iād say 500-700. Lower than that is dreamland.
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Seamus Coffeyās analysis seems to suggest around 1,000 additional deaths in 2020