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[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Your stats were misleading. You neglected to mention the leave they get in November, December, January, Ferbuary, March/April along with that in June/July/Aug. I did a very comprehensive post for you before when you last tried to mislead the forum.

Unsurprisingly you didn’t respond.

[Bisto]

@Thomas_Brady

Teacher’s are massively underpaid.

Nonsense …I mean how hard would it be to deal with 30 little @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy’s??

[horriblecunt]

Driving a forklift and spending all day posting on the internet and never lose an argument requires a level of both physical skill and mental acumen that few possess. Not many teachers could pull that off.
Lads need to show a bit of respect here.

[Ambrose_McNulty]

It’s amazing that the majority of teachers want to go back in school, parents want their kids back to school, even Nphet want schools open, yet Teacher Unions don’t. Maybe someone misread or edited an email somewhere along the way.

[Thomas_Brady]

You’re worse for getting into the same argument that’s been done 100 times on here. As you said, you’re a parent now and you see things completely different now that you’re not putting yourself first anymore.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

The Fulvio Index nailed it the last time.

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

33k - 65k for a job that is about 30 hrs a week and we’ll say circa 85 days annual.

Compare and contrast that with a job that’s a 40 hour week with 25 days annual leave.

So you’re taking your base salary of 33k.

You equate that into a 40 hr standard week. That become 44k.

You then look at the annual leave perk. A standard job Mon - Fri job you have probably 250 working days, a figure taking into account bank holidays and public holidays etc.

So the standard worker probably has 225 working days, 25 annual leave days.
Teachers have 165 working days, 85 annual leave days.

So we then factor in working days. That probably ramps up the basic salary that should be benchmarked against your normal worker from 44k to 60k.

So the effective starting salary for a teacher is 60k.
Do the same for the top end of the scale and it’s a salary of 120k without every having to make any progression in your career.

And that’s before you even factor in pension entitlements and job security.

So a teacher’s salary is 60k-120k if you imply the same working standards an average full time employee. And that’s on the conservative side. I note from doing a quick search, it seems to be 35-70k with a number of additional salary payments depending on their educational qualifcations. So you’re probably looking at teacher’s salary being 70k-130k. Not many industries will give that to an entry level employee who never even has to climb the career ladder.

And that’s not enough, they consistently strike, hold the people to ransom, screw the children they are paid extortionately well enough to educate. They are utterly, utterly shameless. Their conduct over the past number of months has been a new low, even for them. Cynically using a health crisis to further their own interests as healthcare workers suck up all the shite thrown at them in the meantime.

It’s times to cut the teachers and pay the nurses.

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Your stats were misleading

They’re not. I gave out the annual salary for a teacher. I gave out the average salary in Ireland.

Here are my sources:

Salary Scales

Average full-time salary in Republic nearly €49,000

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

You’re still refusing to acknowledge the core point of the post you replied to.

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Your stats were misleading. You neglected to mention the leave they get in November, December, January, Ferbuary, March/April along with that in June/July/Aug.

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

I’m reporting their salary not their annual leave.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@caulifloweredneanderthal

Primary teachers have two months off in the summer

And leave in November, December, Jan, Feb, March/April along with June/July/Aug

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

Correct. I’m not arguing with that at all.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

You neglected to mention it in your post.

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

I don’t have to mention everything in my post.

My point was would many people take on additional work for two months of the summer? The other leave during the year is quite piecemeal so it wouldn’t align itself to an additional employment

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Why not? They have 4 months off in the year.

I also indexed a part time worker like a teacher and their pay against your standard full time worker.

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

33k - 65k for a job that is about 30 hrs a week and we’ll say circa 85 days annual.

Compare and contrast that with a job that’s a 40 hour week with 25 days annual leave.

So you’re taking your base salary of 33k.

You equate that into a 40 hr standard week. That become 44k.

You then look at the annual leave perk. A standard job Mon - Fri job you have probably 250 working days, a figure taking into account bank holidays and public holidays etc.

So the standard worker probably has 225 working days, 25 annual leave days.
Teachers have 165 working days, 85 annual leave days.

So we then factor in working days. That probably ramps up the basic salary that should be benchmarked against your normal worker from 44k to 60k.

So the effective starting salary for a teacher is 60k.
Do the same for the top end of the scale and it’s a salary of 120k without every having to make any progression in your career.

And that’s before you even factor in pension entitlements and job security.

So a teacher’s salary is 60k-120k if you imply the same working standards an average full time employee. And that’s on the conservative side. I note from doing a quick search, it seems to be 35-70k with a number of additional salary payments depending on their educational qualifcations. So you’re probably looking at teacher’s salary being 70k-130k. Not many industries will give that to an entry level employee who never even has to climb the career ladder.

And that’s not enough, they consistently strike, hold the people to ransom, screw the children they are paid extortionately well enough to educate. They are utterly, utterly shameless. Their conduct over the past number of months has been a new low, even for them. Cynically using a health crisis to further their own interests as healthcare workers suck up all the shite thrown at them in the meantime.

It’s times to cut the teachers and pay the nurses.

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

So you agree that it takes ten years for a full-time teacher to get to the average salary in Ireland?

Because that’s what the statistics say.

[glenshane]

@Thomas_Brady

Teacher’s are massively underpaid

But think of the job satisfaction

[carryharry]

I’m surprised at you taking the bait here.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

It takes most professions 10 years or more (or never) to reach the average full time workers and these people are full time workers, not part time workers like teachers.

You seem to be ignoring the vastly comprehensive Fulvio Index above which cuts out any misinformation.

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

I’m here waiting on a Teams meeting to kick off pal. Just said I’d have a bit of craic

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

You seem to be ignoring the vastly comprehensive Fulvio Index above which cuts out any misinformation

I’ve read it, but it doesn’t matter a jot. At the end of the day, take home pay is what’s important here. It should also be noted than many teachers started off on precarious short term contracts, subbing etc, with no summer pay, so it could take them much longer than the ten years from qualification to annual average salary.