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caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:24pm

I’m reporting their salary not their annual leave.

Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy · January 25, 2021, 2:25pm

And leave in November, December, Jan, Feb, March/April along with June/July/Aug

caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:25pm

Correct. I’m not arguing with that at all.

Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy · January 25, 2021, 2:26pm

You neglected to mention it in your post.

caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:26pm

I don’t have to mention everything in my post.

My point was would many people take on additional work for two months of the summer? The other leave during the year is quite piecemeal so it wouldn’t align itself to an additional employment

Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy · January 25, 2021, 2:28pm

Why not? They have 4 months off in the year.

I also indexed a part time worker like a teacher and their pay against your standard full time worker.

Teachers

33k - 65k for a job that is about 30 hrs a week and we’ll say circa 85 days annual.

Compare and contrast that with a job that’s a 40 hour week with 25 days annual leave.

So you’re taking your base salary of 33k.

You equate that into a 40 hr standard week. That become 44k.

You then look at the annual leave perk. A standard job Mon - Fri job you have probably 250 working days, a figure taking into account bank holidays and public holidays etc.

So the standard worker probably has 225 working days, 25 annual leave days.
Teachers have 165 working days, 85 annual leave days.

So we then factor in working days. That probably ramps up the basic salary that should be benchmarked against your normal worker from 44k to 60k.

So the effective starting salary for a teacher is 60k.
Do the same for the top end of the scale and it’s a salary of 120k without every having to make any progression in your career.

And that’s before you even factor in pension entitlements and job security.

So a teacher’s salary is 60k-120k if you imply the same working standards an average full time employee. And that’s on the conservative side. I note from doing a quick search, it seems to be 35-70k with a number of additional salary payments depending on their educational qualifcations. So you’re probably looking at teacher’s salary being 70k-130k. Not many industries will give that to an entry level employee who never even has to climb the career ladder.

And that’s not enough, they consistently strike, hold the people to ransom, screw the children they are paid extortionately well enough to educate. They are utterly, utterly shameless. Their conduct over the past number of months has been a new low, even for them. Cynically using a health crisis to further their own interests as healthcare workers suck up all the shite thrown at them in the meantime.

It’s times to cut the teachers and pay the nurses.

caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:28pm

So you agree that it takes ten years for a full-time teacher to get to the average salary in Ireland?

Because that’s what the statistics say.

glenshane · January 25, 2021, 2:29pm

But think of the job satisfaction

carryharry · January 25, 2021, 2:29pm

I’m surprised at you taking the bait here.

Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy · January 25, 2021, 2:30pm

It takes most professions 10 years or more (or never) to reach the average full time workers and these people are full time workers, not part time workers like teachers.

You seem to be ignoring the vastly comprehensive Fulvio Index above which cuts out any misinformation.

caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:30pm

I’m here waiting on a Teams meeting to kick off pal. Just said I’d have a bit of craic

caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:32pm

I’ve read it, but it doesn’t matter a jot. At the end of the day, take home pay is what’s important here. It should also be noted than many teachers started off on precarious short term contracts, subbing etc, with no summer pay, so it could take them much longer than the ten years from qualification to annual average salary.

glasagusban · January 25, 2021, 2:32pm

It would take more than that if a teacher did not get a full time job in their first few years remember.

caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:33pm

Just made that point, but sure look it, some lads had a worse experience of their school days than others, and I’m sure that clouds their perspective.

glasagusban · January 25, 2021, 2:34pm

Another factor to consider is time in education.

Primary teachers all have to do a masters level course to qualify now.

It’s not @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy doing a one week course to get his safety cert to noodle around the warehouse all day.

backinatracksuit · January 25, 2021, 2:35pm

You’re going to continue in this vein now?
I don’t give a shit, it’s very childish to deliberately misquote somebody to make it look like they said what they didn’t, you seem to think it’s fine. You’ll get your handy likes and your hard earned and important iinternet reputation is sound.

Ambrose_McNulty · January 25, 2021, 2:37pm

You mental cunt. I made this point hours ago to @Thomas_Brady and you stuck your nose in. After 10 posts you haven’t commented on the teaching union’s stance.

horriblecunt · January 25, 2021, 2:37pm

Thomas_Brady · January 25, 2021, 2:38pm

Today is wonderful day.
Smile.
Breathe.

caulifloweredneanderthal · January 25, 2021, 2:38pm

I think it’s a mix Ambrose.

Any teacher I know would be back in the morning if they were vaccinated. Parents I talk to have varied opinions.

Some teachers I know would go back in the morning without vaccinations. Others wouldn’t. One teacher I know is back living with her parents for last couple of years as she is going through a divorce. Both her parents are 70+ and recent cancer survivors, and she is worried about brining it back home to them.