Coronavirus Thread (Markey hates Immigrants )

[glasagusban]

@Thomas_Brady

there’s no sympathy in this vaccine game for anybody.

The Galway lads still don’t understand this. Maybe they never will.

[Tim_Riggins]

@glasagusban

I think that’s mostly nonsense and that delta did in fact pose a very real risk in July and we were right to respond somehow.

I don’t agree with how we did respond. But if you are telling me the reason for the introduction of the measure was not delta, it was something else, then you’re talking complete nonsense.

To what? Circumstances did not change enough to warrant complete about turns in how you viewed the concept of vaccine passports.

It is a blatant attempt at increasing vaccine levels. If there was genuine concern at Delta overrunning hospitals we’d have been in another lockdown.

[Horsebox]

So you admit that you just made that up to fit your absolutist infantile outlook on life. Good. You’re making progress.

You big kango head.

[glasagusban]

Lockdown or nothing

[Tank]

@Horsebox

You’re stupid to have a problem with vaccine passports would your pregnant friend not lock herself away for 9 months."

I give you the Irish far left ladies and gentlemen.

Well hang on, I’ve been strongly OIUTF throughout but dont we OIUTFers want old and vulnerable people to cocoon themselves for as long as it takes while while rest of us carry on with normal life? Maybe even longer than 9 months?

I’ve heard both arguments very clearly. The least unfair solution would be an Italian-style “vaccine passport / negative test” system.

[Malarkey]

@Tim_Riggins

You seem absolutely desperate to bring this back to your Gurdian talking points on the GBD. This is what was said to you bringing it up to me before, do not lie

Coronavirus - Here for life (In high population density areas)

I don’t think many aspects of the Great Barrington Declaration are realistic and given where we are with the vaccine now (it wasn’t when they made it), undesirable. The idea that we can put workers who have antibodies into nursing homes and lock them away for two months is an experiment is not palatable to western societies. The additional challenge of intergenerational homes they also have not answered convincing (IMO). But we are living in prolonged chaos through rolling lockdowns, that is u…

Let’s keep to what this is about. Pretending that these aren’t a big departure for western societies and that the way they’ve been brought in was on the back of good debate is nonsense. We had months and months to properly debate them, you give conspiracy theorists oxygen when you say that you won’t bring them in but then ram them through at the last minute.
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Yes, I read The Guardian every day. So what? It is an excellent paper. I also read a lot of other newsprint. I will pass over the childish gibe, as if reading The Guardian defined my views. It does not, which is what makes people like you uncomfortable. I do not fit in any neat little ‘right’ or ‘left’ box. I like to think for myself.

You seem extraordinarily keen to keep asking me questions. Why, I do not understand.

I will confine myself to noting that the idea of vaccine passports as in tune with a central plank of the GBD makes you uneasy. If people think about matters a little deeper, without being in hock to right wing shibboleths, many things become apparent. Of course, the GBD is a crock of right wing shite, the usual stuff from the usual suspects. And the fact that sundry ‘libertarians’ are now terribly put out about vaccine ‘risk’ and vaccine ‘curtailment of freedom’ makes me coldly laugh. The ultimate freedom is not to become seriously ill or die.

Vaccine passports are here to stay for the moment. What would answer your criterion (“on the back of good debate”) is hard to say, because you are rigidly anti anything that derives from state action and so cannot think properly about such issues.

Given time, life will return to something approaching normality. But there are going to be a lot of difficult cases around employment.

[Tim_Riggins]

I don’t follow you?

In terms of how we responded, that is generally it. The measure introduced was inconsistent across sectors. Gyms have been super spreader locations, why not for them too? If Delta really changed things, why not there?

It’s a blatant attempt at increasing take up. In the U.K., Rabb has admitted it. Macron has admitted as such. Tbh I don’t have a problem with people being honest about that, but it should been upfront.

[LionelRitchie]

@Thomas_Brady

Where? By whom?

When will you travel abroad again?

Christ - this thread drew out the selfish bastards fairly quickly — When we’re locked down again with new variants we know who to blame… Some people are just weak I suppose.

Seems coercive to me

[Malarkey]

@Horsebox

So you admit that you just made that up to fit your absolutist infantile outlook on life. Good. You’re making progress.

You big kango head.

What is the TFK line about ‘rent free’…

If this site is still here in ten years’ time, that kango line is one the few that will endure. Really got under OIUTF skin, so it did, so it did,…

[glasagusban]

Nonsense. Many of our measures have been inconsistent, nonsensical, or pointless, some of them even racist.

I don’t agree with the response. But I accept the reason for the response was in fact the threat posed by Delta. That’s just apparent.

Your reasoning that the response should have been lockdown or nothing is stupid and nothing further needs to be said about it.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Malarkey

I will confine myself to noting that the idea of vaccine passports as in tune with a central plank of the GBD makes you uneasy. If people think about matters a little deeper, without being in hock to right wing shibboleths, many things become apparent. Of course, the GBD is a crock of right wing shite, the usual stuff from the usual suspects. And the fact that sundry ‘libertarians’ are now terribly put out about vaccine ‘risk’ and vaccine ‘curtailment of freedom’ makes me coldly laugh. The ultimate freedom is not to become seriously ill or die.

Vaccine passports are here to stay for the moment. What would answer your criterion (“on the back of good debate”) is hard to say, because you are rigidly anti anything that derives from state action and so cannot think properly about such issues.

Given time, life will return to something approaching normality. But there are going to be a lot of difficult cases around employment.

You’re going off here and missing the point.

To clarify;

1. my post above says that I didn’t agree with their strategy overall

2. I’ve said on balance that I’d have taken VPs a few months ago like they had in Denmark. If take up had been low in Ireland, I’d have taken the civil liberties hit

My issue is with how they’ve been brought in, administered and also how disagreements with them are met by the likes of yourself. @Horsebox’s point was very valid.

[pulpfiction]

Some right spineless I’m all right Jack types on this thread. The same cunts would have turned away when the Jews were being loaded on the trains.

[Malarkey]

@Tim_Riggins

@Malarkey

I will confine myself to noting that the idea of vaccine passports as in tune with a central plank of the GBD makes you uneasy. If people think about matters a little deeper, without being in hock to right wing shibboleths, many things become apparent. Of course, the GBD is a crock of right wing shite, the usual stuff from the usual suspects. And the fact that sundry ‘libertarians’ are now terribly put out about vaccine ‘risk’ and vaccine ‘curtailment of freedom’ makes me coldly laugh. The ultimate freedom is not to become seriously ill or die.

Vaccine passports are here to stay for the moment. What would answer your criterion (“on the back of good debate”) is hard to say, because you are rigidly anti anything that derives from state action and so cannot think properly about such issues.

Given time, life will return to something approaching normality. But there are going to be a lot of difficult cases around employment.

You’re going off here and missing the point.

To clarify;

1. my post above says that I didn’t agree with their strategy overall

2. I’ve said on balance that I’d have taken VPs a few months ago like they had in Denmark. If take up had been low in Ireland, I’d have taken the civil liberties hit

My issue is with how they’ve been brought in, administered and also how disagreements with them are met by the likes of yourself. @Horsebox’s point was very valid.

No, it was not. He was just using the emotive topic of a pregnant woman – in vulgar fashion, to my eye – for making a typically shallow point.

Whether (pregnant) unvaccinated women can eat inside a pub is not one of the many terribly difficult issues facing the country. To pretend this issue is central can only seem risible to any sensible person.

I like my freedom in concrete terms. And I prefer to be in a pub where everyone else there is vaccinated. I believe the great majority of people in Ireland feel the same way. Why? Because they are, largely, sensible and pragmatic and not in hock to right wing shite.

If there was a Venn diagram of odious people, it would contain, for starters, Toby Young, Laurence Fox, Brendan O’Neill, Claire Fox, Darren Grimes, Dolores Cahill, Gemma O’Doherty and John Waters. I mean, there is also a question of taste. Who in their right mind would want to be on the same side of any argument those deplorables would make…

[TheUlteriorMotive]

@Malarkey

What if someone gets seriously ill from contracting Covid-19 at work?’

That logic was used to discriminate against HIV positive people for years.

“What if?” is the thin end of the wedgie that right wing lads like you like to hand out

[Malarkey]

@TheUlteriorMotive

@Malarkey

What if someone gets seriously ill from contracting Covid-19 at work?’

That logic was used to discriminate against HIV positive people for years.

“What if?” is the thin end of the wedgie that right wing lads like you like to hand out

Look, fuck off. I have better things to do than bothering with morons.

[Cheasty]

Those who supported the Covid equivalent of the fake “declarations” denying climate change and the link between smoking and cancer should never be let forget it.

Prof. Gavin Yamey MD MPH

Prof. Gavin Yamey MD MPH

[The_Most_Infamous]

@Malarkey

@Tim_Riggins

@Malarkey

I will confine myself to noting that the idea of vaccine passports as in tune with a central plank of the GBD makes you uneasy. If people think about matters a little deeper, without being in hock to right wing shibboleths, many things become apparent. Of course, the GBD is a crock of right wing shite, the usual stuff from the usual suspects. And the fact that sundry ‘libertarians’ are now terribly put out about vaccine ‘risk’ and vaccine ‘curtailment of freedom’ makes me coldly laugh. The ultimate freedom is not to become seriously ill or die.

Vaccine passports are here to stay for the moment. What would answer your criterion (“on the back of good debate”) is hard to say, because you are rigidly anti anything that derives from state action and so cannot think properly about such issues.

Given time, life will return to something approaching normality. But there are going to be a lot of difficult cases around employment.

You’re going off here and missing the point.

To clarify;

1. my post above says that I didn’t agree with their strategy overall

2. I’ve said on balance that I’d have taken VPs a few months ago like they had in Denmark. If take up had been low in Ireland, I’d have taken the civil liberties hit

My issue is with how they’ve been brought in, administered and also how disagreements with them are met by the likes of yourself. @Horsebox’s point was very valid.

No, it was not. He was just using the emotive topic of a pregnant woman – in vulgar fashion, to my eye – for making a typically shallow point.

Whether (pregnant) unvaccinated women can eat inside a pub is not one of the many terribly difficult issues facing the country. To pretend this issue is central can only seem risible to any sensible person.

I like my freedom in concrete terms. And I prefer to be in a pub where everyone else there is vaccinated. I believe the great majority of people in Ireland feel the same way. Why? Because they are, largely, sensible and pragmatic and not in hock to right wing shite.

If there was a Venn diagram of odious people, it would contain, for starters, Toby Young, Laurence Fox, Brendan O’Neill, Claire Fox, Darren Grimes, Dolores Cahill, Gemma O’Doherty and John Waters. I mean, there is also a question of taste. Who in their right mind would want to be on the same side of any argument those deplorables would make…

You’d want to stay out of hotels then or the restaurant I was in yesterday somewhere in the midwest of Ireland. Won’t mention the name. No talk of covid certs, we didnt wear masks going in and were given the choice of indoor or outdoor dining.

We chose outdoor. Food was great as well. We’ll be back.

[TheUlteriorMotive]

[Horsebox]

Vulgar fashion you are easily the most vulgar poster on this site. Your default mode is insulting people or threatening them with violence. You and your fellow zero nutter on this site who pretend to be so caring and empathetic for society are also the most unpleasant posters to engage with and also the most supportive of extremist exclusive social policies. Square that circle Mr Lothario.

I brought up my pregnant friend because it was a real world example of how these restrictions are completely unfair but of course the caring wokesters on here have decided that she is a fucking idiot for wanting to go for a meal. The mental gymnastics ye dangerous cunts do to justify your extremist ideologies is quite something to behold.

[Malarkey]

@Horsebox

Vulgar fashion you are easily the most vulgar poster on this site. Your default mode is insulting people or threatening them with violence. You and your fellow zero nutter on this site who pretend to be so caring and empathetic for society are also the most unpleasant posters to engage with and also the most supportive of extremist exclusive social policies. Square that circle Mr Lothario.

I brought up my pregnant friend because it was a real world example of how these restrictions are completely unfair but of course the caring wokesters on here have decided that she is a fucking idiot for wanting to go for a meal. The mental gymnastics ye dangerous cunts do to justify your extremist ideologies is quite something to behold.

Look, I have taken more abuse here than probably anyone. So I make no apologies for robustness with people who deserve it.

I think you are a vulgarian, into the bargain. I am sure you will live with it.

A gom pretending to be a gom so as not to be a gom…