Zero covid worked for NZ and Australia. And fair play to them.
Anyone suggesting it could work in Ireland is either being disingenuous or is a bit feeble minded. Itâs been categorically rejected here and across the EU.
Thatâs not to say that the response anywhere in the west has been perfect, itâs just to say that zero covid here or in Europe is a nonsense idea and youâd have to be an idiot (or perhaps just disingenuous and looking to âwind people upâ on th internet, as some people go in for) to suggest otherwise.
Yes thatâs it in a nutshell. There were cries of ârelax its overâ âbe Zenâ etc. âVaccines are hereâ. The shrewd observers could see the writing on the wall from the get go. Once you give up all your freedoms they are very slow to come back.
Fully vaccinated people are still scared to meet family or even eat or drink outside. Vaccine effectiveness has been undermined and there is a deep psychological scarring of society. This is in part due to the zero covid headbangers setting the news agenda for the day for the last 17 months and one of the most spineless inept governments of any lifetime really. The whole world is getting back to normal or they are there already. If people havenât got it by now nothing changes until people start to see through the bullshit. We are just in a perpetual hamster wheel that we cannot get off. There will always be variants, always a need for booster shots, always unvaccinated people, always moving between seasons, always chasing our tail. Anyone who thinks differently or advocates for an unobtainable zero covid is at best a nihilist and at worse doing so for other nefarious reasons like wanting destruction of the country, beliefs on climate change, Universal basic income. We are now at the mercy of a failed modeller. Not real world data. It is starting to look and sound like the tinfoil hat brigade werenât so tinfoil hat after all.
It did work in certain settings - NZ and Aus - that is very different to where we live.
I didnât pick any path, and nor am I defending Irelandâs approach to the pandemic. You can be snide about it all you like, but thatâs not an argument, as you know.
Saying zero covid couldnât work in Ireland - which is widely accepted - is not the same as defending Irelandâs approach. Of course you know that too and are being entirely disingenuous by suggesting otherwise.
Theyâve largely had life as normal and very few deaths while we know what weâve had. Given the choice Iâd certainly choose to have NZâs experience of the global pandemic rather than Irelandâs. However, I acknowledge that it was impossible for Ireland to take the same approach. I also acknowledge that NZ and Aus have not had a perfect experience either and there are drawbacks to their approach.
Yeah. People of Ireland, government of Ireland, the leaders of our response to the pandemic, even I would say the majority of specialists in the field. Thatâs a broad consensus. The same is reflected across Europe. You canât deny that surely?
The pivoting around variants is eye opening. None of the variants to date have proven to be more dangerous and in fact itâs suggested less for the Delta one.
You have doctors on radio shows engaging in speculation each day with no supporting data. The speculation is always worst case. The same doctor would laugh at you if you suggested cancer treatments on same basis.
Iâd have laughed at people before who cited media manipulation but there has definitely been some editorial decisions taken on what message to push on Covid. I suppose it gets them clicks and links and listens as shown by us discussing it.
Another disingenuous response, because what Iâve highlighted is overwhelming consensus, not whether I agree with individual voices.
Your approach appears to be to only listen to the vanishingly small minority of âexpertsâ with whom you agree. Even when theyâve been rejected by others in their field, in addition to government because their proposals are unworkable.
Itâs more transmissible perhaps but disingenuous to say itâs more dangerous as the vulnerable are vaccinated so Wuhan 1.0 was more dangerous as it was spreading through unvaccinated vulnerable.
They canât say this and then close vaccination centres for race days either.
Where is he getting this from? In the UK amongst unvaccinated cohorts some of the classical symptoms are similar to a hayfever i.e. runny nose, sore throat, headache. In fact some of the long covid symptoms like loss of taste and smell are not prevalent with new variant. Also he stated that it is far more transmissable outside than âAlphaâ. Given that âAlphaâ using his words was not transmissible to any discernible level outside what does âmoreâ mean and is it just more scaremongering.