Every fact that disrupts your consistently wrong views on this pandemic is âdisingenuousâ. Itâs quite the neat coping mechanism youâve developed.
You didnât introduce a fact, you misrepresented what I said, again. Thatâs disingenuous.
New Zealand has had 26 deaths.
Ireland has had 5k deaths.
They have a similar population.
What is not factual about that?
New Zealand has the worst rate for domestic violence amongst OECD members.
New Zealand has highest rate of teen suicide amongst OECD members.
Locking people at home is very NZ.
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Exhibit A
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You said that I considered NZ to be crackpots. That was disingenuous of you, it was not what I said.
Thereâll be plenty of âsure whatâs the problem, you can get a pint and go to the gym now anywayâ in response to a delay.
Nolan being wheeled out again is a sign of doom. Iâd add that there isnât a hope that we donât see some serious efforts at restrictions in January. Modelling of flu season is going to become a thing.
You consider those who advocated what New Zealand did to be crackpots. Thatâs pretty much the same thing.
I think we can see from this forum over the last year exactly who has proved to be crackpots and who hasnât.
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Ye donât know how good ye have it
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We were discussing Ireland. Ireland is not New Zealand and could not do what new Zealand did.
Look, I generally have an awful lot of time for you pal, but you seem determined to be entirely disingenuous on any discussion on this. You have your view and thatâs fine but you donât want to discuss it. You donât respond to any reasonable points put to you and repeatedly misrepresent what Iâve said and respond to that instead. Maybe itâs a bit of game or something but I donât see any point in responding to you any more on this so Iâll leave it at that.
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Thatâs the big concern. Any politician will be reluctant to put an âavoidable strain on the health systemâ. Once lockdowns are an option they quickly become the go to option.
You say Iâm âdisingenuousâ because itâs a coping mechanism for you having views on this topic that are all over the place.
I think youâre far from the worst poster on the thread but you seriously need to come to terms with the fact that other people have legitimate views backed up by actual successful real world examples.
Instead you fire out âcrackpotsâ ad nauseum, which severely undermines your own credibility.
No it isnât. New Zealand is a very different country to Ireland geographically
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All countries are different geographically. And demographically.
The argument being made here is that we were right to reject what has proved to work.
And the argument for that is that other countries who are much more different to Ireland geographically than New Zealand is were also rejecting it.
Itâs a very strange argument.
I donât think any of the countries in Europe are more different to us than New Zealand are. The land border with another jurisdiction makes us more like France than New Zealand who are at their closest more than 1,000 miles away from their nearest neighbour
I genuinely think itâs silly to be having a discussion on the differences between Ireland and New Zealand, and why an approach that worked in New Zealand couldnât work in Ireland, at this stage. That discussion has been had ad nauseum. Once again, NZs approach has proved very successful for them, and good for them.
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Sure we have the lad who was previously against MHQ for Britain now arguing for MHQ for Britain.
Previously the argument against this was the border, but now that argument has flown out the window.
A land border doesnât change that much. Norway and Finland have land borders and they were able to do a pretty decent job of minimising Covid, even if they werenât like New Zealand.
Their approach was also rejected out of hand by the OIUTF merchants.
And I fully expect that all countries will pursue a NZ like approach to the next novel virus- or at the least there will be no hesitation to ban travel like there was with China in January 2020.
Iâm not sure why itâs so difficult for people to accept that ship was only possible for Ireland if all of Europe pursued it way back when.
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I say youâre disingenuous because you ignore reasonable points put to you and repeatedly misrepresent what Iâve said and respond to that instead. That is disingenuous.
It also shows that you donât want to discuss your views. Even with points respectfully put to you your tone of response is snide, in this last post alone: âcoping mechanismâ, âall over the placeâ âcome to terms with the factâ.
Again, not the tenor of a response of someone either interested or able to discuss their position. All of this together undermines your credibility.
As I said, I think Iâve tried to discuss some of this with you reasonably, but it seems thereâs no point, so Iâll leave you off with it.
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