I donât deny that at all. Itâs a shitty virus that can make people really sick and for a very small percentage of society it can be lethal.
The one crumb of comfort is that we have seen hospitalisations go from around 200 to the 744 today in the space of 3 weeks, this is quite similar to the increase in March/April.
I suspect we will still go a good deal higher than March/April though.
It is you who is using anecdotal evidence to back your entrenched belief that itâs all a cod. You donât seem to be able to quite grasp that different approaches were adopted by different countries. Irelanâs high median age is because of the restrictions. The UKs average ICU age of 61 is because of their failed approach. Jesus wept.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.12.20148387v3
Life expectancy is dropping by up to a year all over the World.
This virus has a worse affect on already old and sick people, but thatâs just logical. Already old and sick people are always going to be the worst affected.
Using them as a statistical shield to try and strengthen your position is a weak stance. Of course more old and sick people are dying. That doesnât make the disease any less dangerous to health services all over the world.
Do you want to wait until health services are clogged up everywhere and young people are getting care before old people and the doctors have to decide who gets a chance or not before youâll accept a little bit of discomfort?
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You need to be very careful Tim, youâre in a vulnerable age-group.
Their simple minds seem to be only capable of registering two possible Covid outcomes
- Old person dies.
- Sweat it out overnight and all good after.
Either outcome to them is acceptable, theyâre gasping for a pint.
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Listen I wouldnât be too bothered about a year of my life attached to a drip, not being able to remember your own name, on 40 tablets a day, infirmed and shitting into a nappy being cut short.
Itâs quality of life that is most important.
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In fairness too I think that hospitalisations rather than deaths are now the main concern. Thereâs still very few deaths but theres hardly even a mention of them either.
The continued obsession with cases as all that are mentioned in headlines etc is still very annoying though. It actually doesnât suit nphets case in the long run they should put more focus on the hospitalisation and icu figure.
A good few people talk about the lack of flu cases and lack of people on trollies too to support OIUTF. That could easily be seen as something that backs NPHETs approach. Imagine all of last years trolley numbers added to this yearâs.
I have never once said that this is a cod. The rest of your post is the usual guff you come out with when actual data is presented to you.
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Can everyone please stop the finger pointing about how we got here and let the CMO point his finger at the hospitality sector in peace?
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this is what no lockdown looks like to the people who have to deal with sick people
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Is the drop in life expectancy solely down to the virus? Or possibly partly attributed to the governmentâs reaction to the virus? Poor people seem to be more affected according to the articles you posted there and we know that lockdowns have made poor people poorer. I donât want our health service overrun at all. We could end up in a situation where we have thousands of people lying around on trolleys if the current numbers keep climbing. Can you imagine that terrifying vista?
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Either the virus or the response to it. They arenât mutually exclusive. They canât be. You either accept the possibility of short term devastation or you try to mitigate against it. Either way is bad. There is no winning here
Youâre the one that suggests Ireland adopt the Swedish approach when Sweden themselves are saying theyâve got it wrong. You give out stink about lockdown but like many sceptics donât give a viable alternative that has been shown to work. You trot out the old âonly the elderly dieâ as if there are only two outcomes to covid. The article is an attempt at informing sceptics like yourself that itâs not that simple.
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But the virus being here isnât a choice whereas the response to it is. I always find your dismissive attitude to the carnage that the lockdowns have caused as âa bit of discomfortâ as comforting and gives me knowledge that people like you are away with the fucking fairies and need to be challenged or who knows where we will end up.
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but sure youâre equally as dismissive about the carnage caused by the virus as sure itâs only a few old people dying anyway.
Iâm referring to you individually when I say a bit of discomfort.
There are people that will have been adversely affected, savagely. Middle class people who can go on the internet arenât in that category.
Do you champion for them in all walks of life or only when it suits you?
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There were estimates of one month excess mortality caused by this back in the summer and it doesnât look to be a million miles off with 15%. You can give or take a month either side depending on what your 2019 was like, population demographics and your reaction to Covid.
It does need to be put in perspective though, for the excess deaths in the UK, we were talking about a similar number of dead in Ireland. I donât think thereâs much doubt that this caps out in terms of excess deaths at a certain rate, New York is your prime example. 20% with antibodies by June with a huge number of excess deaths to that point. Deaths will continue as this is the dominant respiratory strain and there is a new group of susceptible people, but itâs a fraction of what it was.
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That âarticleâ is beyond risible â just froth on the âGreat Barrington Declarationâ. She is another AIER shill.
I will come back to it. More important things to do than comb nonsense for the moment.
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