Not in the O6. Italy, England and Spain are probably outliers for the rest of Europe.
How could a record death total like that be unexplained? Why do death totals generally rise in January?
Youāre right but it is a good point he raises though, thereās definitely an overreaction going on would you even admit that?
There is no way if we knew what the virus was like back at the start ie only affecting old people in any meaningful way, more or less not affecting kids at all etc, we would have taken such society wide approach.
Not a chance. A lot of people still think their kids are in great danger as a residue from really real and justified fear at the start.
There is a theory and data that people die after Christmas. Nobody seems to know why
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Itās possible there is an overreaction going on, I donāt know.
What I see from some places that have under reacted is health services being overwhelmed or threatened to be overwhelmed, Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, the United Kingdom some of those even with lockdowns. Swedenās health system didnāt get overwhelmed because they triaged, they had a national directive not to treat old or very fat people.
In some of those cases they didnāt even underreact, they got caught on the hop. It seems to be happening again in some places in the second wave, despite the measures introduced etc.
Does your health service get overwhelmed every winter?
Why does it get overwhelmed every winter?
Depends what you mean by overwhelmed?
If you mean people on trollies - yes, but that isnāt exclusive to winter.
If you mean other services having to shut down because of a contagious virus, then no.
Yeah in fairness you do hear horror stories from elsewhere, but other places probably hear were a shit show locked down again etc when the reality is very different. Our deaths seem awful low though still, especially if you take out nursing homes at the start which appear better protected now.
In reality, since the first wave, there have been a low amount of deaths, in part due to the fact that the transmission has been mainly in non vulnerable or non high risk age groups.
This could be luck, could be that vulnerable people are taking more care, could be that some of the measures are working, could be that all of them are working. Fuck knows.
If we donāt react or under react at times when the cases are rising then there is a chance the spread gets out of control and we are in shit show number 2 wrt nursing homes and hospitals. Hence the reaction (possible over reaction)
there are tradeoffs to under/over reaction. Getting it wrong on either side is a shit show. Itās literally impossible the demands being put on NPHET. People want perfect, but itās impossible. Literally impossible. Whatever they do is going to have an adverse effect.
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Are you trying to say 800 people on hospital trollies isnāt overwhelmed? 
The problem lies when you put Covid above everything else.
No. Iām not. It is overwhelmed. Iāve said so.
But there is a scale of being overwhlemed. You can be overwhelmed and creak along
You can also be overwhelmed and have to stop for a covid only approach, which happened in the first wave, not just here. Itās threatening other parts of Europe again.
Excatly. And this isnāt done at a whim. That is done out of necessity, because there is a highly contagious virus that is having serious impact on peoples health
Creaking along?
It depends how do deaths in Jan 2018 compare to Apr 2020 in the south however?
3499 in January 2018
3255 in April 2020
average for January 3143 so an 11% rise in deaths in 2018 versus the average year
average for April 2643 so a 23% rise in deaths in 2020 versus the average year for April
Youād have to say on those numbers, Ireland has done better than the 06
Why are numbers higher in January?
I have no idea. People die more in January than any other month, consistently. If coronavirus is still around in January and we are in the middle of a wave then Iād imagine January 2021 will be as bad a month as has been on record. Maybe thatās why theyāve decided to do this, before the inevitable load in January.
You have no idea?
Surely this would warrant investigation? Why do we find it so acceptable that people die in January every year but have a fit when people die in April?
Itās bizarre.
Iāve a theory though.
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Ok mate, the people that died in January 2018 was the upper limit of that particular flu season. Flu is vaccinated against. It is a major killer. Absolutely no question. There are no other mitigation attempts because for that particular strain, and that particular season it was possible to keep other services running in conjunction
the people that died in April 2020 was the lower limit of the particular virus, there is no vaccine, and despite widespread mitigation and a covid only approach more people died in April that year versus April for other years, significantly more.
Anything you dispute?
If there was no mitigation efforts in April 2020, would that number have been more or less?
If there was a flu as virulent and dangerous as this particular virus, or vaccines didnāt work against it, then weād be equally as fucked and weād be in a similar situation. This happens to not be the flu
Why is it acceptable that people die of flu annually but unacceptable people die of a similar virus which is of no threat to the the vast majority of fit, healthy and young people.
Of the Covid deaths of people in the O6 up until the end of Sept.
96% of deaths were 60 years of age or more
93% of deaths were 65 years of age or more
88% of deaths were 70 years of age or more
80% of deaths were 75 years of age or more
66% of deaths were 80 years of age or more
38 people died in that time period under the age of 60.
Thatās without even looking at underlying health issues and overstated deaths.
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There were no mitigation efforts in Ireland until the end of March, so the people who died in April were already infected. Same all over the western world, lockdowns didnāt start anywhere until mid March at the earliest. In fact most governments were saying not to worry about it, no events were cancelled (Cheltenham, St Patrickās day, etc). So your statement ādespite lockdowns and mitigation effortsā is a complete fabrication.
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It isnāt a fabrication. By April there was a covid only approach. Everything that could be done to save people was done.
All Patricks day parades were cancelled. Sports were cancelled in Ireland. Schools were closed. Businesses were closed. Hospital services were shutdown
Cheltenham is in a different country. Ireland couldnāt cancel that