Coronavirus Thread - Pause before - The Final Battle (Part 1)

the only way to avoid lockdowns* is to ensure compliance with the restrictions and guidelines that are currently active

*in the Irish framework

Has he factored in that the rate of increase will be times 100 at Christmas after lockdown?

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No itā€™s not.

It has a 0.14% ICU per positive case rate at present.

The government canā€™t be arsed setting up the health service to cope with Covid. As long as the hospitals could possibly overwhelmed there will be lockdowns.

that number will remain stable relative to cases and hospitalisations, but unfortunately left grow, the contagious virus, ie pandemic will grow, cases will grow and that .14% will be a % of a much higher number and will put our ICU capacity under pressure. Thats a pandemic problem

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I see an ad on TV last night for one of the supermarkets selling 24 cans of Bud for ā‚¬25.

With house parties being a huge issue in all this and while it is not feasible to just completely close off licences/the sale of alcohol would it not make sense for the government to put a huge levy on it. Just pretty much double the price of what 24 cans, a bottle of wine, spirits are being sold for now. Still means that people are free to buy it but in not as great a quantity and would also raise some revenue for public coffers.

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Yes.

Itā€™s a problem with Ireland having one of the lowest ICU beds per 100k population in Europe and a completely dysfunctional health service.

Tonyā€™s letter to Donnelly recommending Level 5

5km limit

Ah stop. Do you genuinely think that there is a fix for the health system that could be brought in that could fix everything and we could just let covid rip across the population then but itā€™d be grand cause the health service could manage it?

Just lead to a bigger Black Market.

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Young people would just take drugs in higher quantities. Black market trade from pubs looking to sell off stock that is going past its sell by date and potentially more people buying it sainsburys in Newry and other places over the border. Thats 3 reasons but Iā€™m sure there are more before we go into nanny statism and all that other stuff.

Look they had time in the summer to set up a proper track and trace service and they didnā€™t . Simple as that. As for the Health service as whole well that is a bigger task that wont be solved but maybe one of the good things from this that maybe the politicians will tackle the health service.

This is what you said. If there was no pandemic, the health system would creak along.
We are in a pandemic. The health system is what it is. We have surge/emergency capacity. We are trying not to use it and we are attempting to keep other services functional in health care

We have tried opening up and it didnā€™t work. The health system isnā€™t going to get better in 6 months, especially in a pandemic. Iā€™d imagine working conditions arenā€™t conducive to improving ancillary services, given how much care and PPE they have to take in hospitals and medical environments in the pandemic, with the contagious virus going round.

It is a pandemic problem

Track and trace is a different thing.

Does it come under the HSE?

Did you download the app? What was the uptake in use of the application?

Compliance has been a huge problem, people are disaffected from the Government and from NPHET.

Communication has been absolutely horrendous since the start of this thing

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Harris is gas.

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Itā€™s a health service problem.

The fatality rate is something like 0.29% in the second wave.

The ICU rate is something like 0.14%.

Itā€™s a problem of a dysfunctional health system.

Every winter you have 7/800 people waiting on hospital bed.

Itā€™s a health service problem.

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so the pandemic has nothing to do with it? Ok mate.

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