Good one
They put the schools on line here and kept the crèches open. Most cases I heard of recently were of parents getting it from their crèche age kids.
âPatients are dying âwithâ Covid, not âofâ it.â The death certificate data from the Office for National Statistics, which provides us with the most reliable figures on Covid deaths, records causation. But even more obvious is what a patient with Covid pneumonia looks like clinically. They have very low oxygen levels, a dense white shadow in both lungs on their X-rays, a particular pattern of low platelets and specific white blood cells, and very high marker of clotting called D-Dimer. This is a clinical pattern doctors all over the world have seen time and time again. Trust us, they are dying of this disease.
And, the worst myth of all: âCovid only kills the infirm and the elderly.â While age is a significant factor, we are routinely seeing patients in their 30s and 40s on ICU. Data from Scotland shows the average age of admitted ICU patients is 61, and more than 85% were living completely independent lives before they were sick. It could be any of us, or someone close to us.
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Paddy hasnât a hope
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/drinking-alcohol-could-reduce-effectiveness-23257231
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93% of people who died with covid in Ireland up until December 20th had underlying health issues and the median age of those who died was 83. Actual scientific data versus anecdotal cherry picked Guardian articles always looks bad for the LIDTF merchants which is why data and logic and science is overlooked for feelings and stories.
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Horsey knows better than the doctor 
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Those are statistics from NPHET. I donât produce my own statistics. I think itâs important that the fear porn stories are countered with actual facts and scientific evidence. I know a feelings guy like you wonât like that but such is life.
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Youâre a breath of fresh air on here
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In fairness, it also talks about hospitalisations. Deaths and hospitalisations are not the same thing with Covid, ICU is generally a good deal lower.
There is no point in denying that Covid puts significant strain on health services throughout the world.
I donât deny that at all. Itâs a shitty virus that can make people really sick and for a very small percentage of society it can be lethal.
The one crumb of comfort is that we have seen hospitalisations go from around 200 to the 744 today in the space of 3 weeks, this is quite similar to the increase in March/April.
I suspect we will still go a good deal higher than March/April though.
It is you who is using anecdotal evidence to back your entrenched belief that itâs all a cod. You donât seem to be able to quite grasp that different approaches were adopted by different countries. Irelanâs high median age is because of the restrictions. The UKs average ICU age of 61 is because of their failed approach. Jesus wept.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.12.20148387v3
Life expectancy is dropping by up to a year all over the World.
This virus has a worse affect on already old and sick people, but thatâs just logical. Already old and sick people are always going to be the worst affected.
Using them as a statistical shield to try and strengthen your position is a weak stance. Of course more old and sick people are dying. That doesnât make the disease any less dangerous to health services all over the world.
Do you want to wait until health services are clogged up everywhere and young people are getting care before old people and the doctors have to decide who gets a chance or not before youâll accept a little bit of discomfort?
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You need to be very careful Tim, youâre in a vulnerable age-group.
Their simple minds seem to be only capable of registering two possible Covid outcomes
- Old person dies.
- Sweat it out overnight and all good after.
Either outcome to them is acceptable, theyâre gasping for a pint.
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Listen I wouldnât be too bothered about a year of my life attached to a drip, not being able to remember your own name, on 40 tablets a day, infirmed and shitting into a nappy being cut short.
Itâs quality of life that is most important.
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In fairness too I think that hospitalisations rather than deaths are now the main concern. Thereâs still very few deaths but theres hardly even a mention of them either.
The continued obsession with cases as all that are mentioned in headlines etc is still very annoying though. It actually doesnât suit nphets case in the long run they should put more focus on the hospitalisation and icu figure.
A good few people talk about the lack of flu cases and lack of people on trollies too to support OIUTF. That could easily be seen as something that backs NPHETs approach. Imagine all of last years trolley numbers added to this yearâs.