Coronavirus Thread (sponsored by Anthony Fauci & Pfizer) (Part 5)

[glenshane]

Is he the fella in Israel? He should be on his fifth by now?
All joking aside, what happened to our regular updates from Israel?

[myboyblue]

Shot

[Malarkey]

@TheUlteriorMotive

It’s fascinating how

(i) impressed lads are at the intelligence of anybody who espouses a position that they agree with and

(Ii) how the same lads will rubbish as not an expert anybody who articulates a position they don’t agree with

They must find themselves nodding along at (i) and shaking their heads at (ii)

JK is a multi millionaire. Therefore he must be right and deserves the greatest respect.

Did I get something wrong?

[glenshane]

@Malarkey

Did I get something wrong?

Probably not, but you should probably check in with jedward before you jump to any conclusions

[Malarkey]

@glenshane

@Malarkey

Did I get something wrong?

Probably not, but you should probably check in with jedward before you jump to any conclusions

Whimsy is mimsy.

[Cheasty]

@Tierneevin1979

The scary thing is you have lads that believe they are safe from Covid because they are vaccinated and are now behaving irresponsibly, drinking in bars and traveling out of the country to visit friends.

This is the exact same behaviour you’ve been promoting for the last 18 months.

@Tierneevin1979

What will it take to reach these people, as not alone are they vulnerable themselves but they are also a danger to others.

Are you pivoting to being in favour of lockdown now?

@Tierneevin1979

Listen up morons. 1. Get vaccinated. 2. Do not assume you are safe, if you behave irresponsibly and act like Brendan Behan in a brothel you will get infected and you will infect others.

Weren’t you complaining about “talking down to people”?

For months now you’ve been promoting anti-vaxxers and “vaccine sceptics” (also called anti-vaxxers). And you yourself have bene pushing a thinly veiled anti-vaccine message for quite a while now.

You’re all over the place.

By the way, which one of the CDC or Jurgen Klopp was telling people not to get vaccinated, as you claimed one of them was?

[The_Most_Infamous]

Significant goal post shift over there this week. They would never do that here of course. No chance.

Nearly 2 million people could lose vaccine status in Israel as rules change

[glenshane]

No way lads here would lose their good boy status

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

I forgot that’s the way it works with you. I’ll provide the stats from trusted sources (when you never substantiate any of theories or lies) and then you’ll try and move the goalposts again when you have nothing to go against it.

I’ll indulge you and give you the stats from trusted sources and we’ll see it play out as I predicted. Unlike you I believe the debate is a honourable tradition and I treat it with the utmost integrity.

Microsoft Power BI

Page 6 of that contains positive Covid case numbers (screenshot below)

Page 16 contains the death stats (screenshot below)

11 deaths in 110,932 positive cases.

So effectively you have a 1 in 10k chance of dying from Covid and that’s IF you get it. It also does not disclose whether the 11 people who have died in the north had underlying health conditions, which would most likely be the case.

As for the arbitrary recording of Covid deaths.

Excess Mortality & Covid-19 Related Deaths | Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency

The link above is for NISRA who record excess deaths and Covid deaths in the O6.

Below is the link to the monthly death spreadsheets.

https://www.nisra.gov.uk/sites/nisra.gov.uk/files/publications/Excess%20mortality%20%26%20Covid-19%20related%20deaths%20in%20Northern%20Ireland%20tables-Mar-Dec%202020.xls

Have a look at the highlighted note.

If Covid is listed anywhere on the death cert, it’s recorded as a Covid death - doesn’t matter what the primary cause of death was if a Covid positive test was reported in a defined period of time then it was put on the death cert and as NISRA have highlighted in that note, if Covid was on the death cert ANYWHERE, it was recorded as a Covid death arbitrarily.

So try and squirm your way out of that one and once again show everyone when it comes to a debate you are anything but an honest broker.

Further update on this.

So effectively:

• In the u40 category it’s pretty much staying steady if not improving in the death rate per positive case (11 deaths in 110,923 positive cases (1 death per 10,084 positive cases) to 13 deaths in 138,712 positive cases (1 death per 10,670 positive cases)

• Bulk of positive cases are in the u19 category, no additional deaths recorded in ~20k positive cases since.

• 220 additional deaths recorded in that time, 99 (45%) of those being 80 or over and 95 being 60-79 (43%) so cumulatively 88% of deaths have been people over the age of 60 in the intervening period.

• As consistently pointed out, deaths are recorded arbitrarily, criteria is highlighted as above so because someone is recorded as a Covid death, doesn’t mean they died because of Covid, it just means they had it within a defined period of time before they died. No data is supplied stating what underlying health conditions those who are recorded as Covid deaths have.

We can see from this data that it is very clear who the virus is of danger too and who it isn’t of danger. It also shows the ridiculousness of vaccine fascism, the 0-19 age grouping is by far and away the least vaccinated grouping but it has had the lowest death toll since the pandemic, still sitting at 2 and in 20k positive cases in the intervening period, no further deaths have been recorded.

7,858 positive cases in the past 7 days, 5,189 are 40 and under (66%)

2,655 were 14 and under.

In terms of deaths.

0 deaths in u40s
0 deaths in 40-59s
8 deaths in 60-79s
10 deaths in 80+

It’s almost as if old people die a lot more regularly. Maybe we should stop trying to make Covid an excuse for elderly people and those in bad health dying. It’s amazing how the flu deniers were never so righteous and military about stopping flu as it ravaged hospitals and the elderly every winter.

[Cheasty]

They aren’t doing it for fun.

Israel’s major problem is that something like 37% of their population have not been vaccinated at all. They are the major driver in keeping Covid spreading widely throughout the community - and that has knock on effects for everybody else.

It’s an object lesson in how the irresponsible and selfish unvaccinated are the major problem in preventing a return to normality in societies.

Portugal is the country to watch. 84% of the total population are double vaccinated and they’ve dropped all restrictions as of October 1st.

[Bisto]

Are we due another deadly variant by now? … delta has surely morphed into something else somewhere in world ?

[Cheasty]

@Bisto

Are we due another deadly variant by now? … delta has surely morphed into something else somewhere in world ?

To the best of my knowledge all the variants of concern date from the pre-vaccine era. That isn’t to say that something else couldn’t possibly come along, but Delta is so “fit” that it appears to be progressively driving every other variant of concern out.

[The_Most_Infamous]

Agreed, Portugal will be interesting to watch. The problem seems to be the waning efficacy of the vaccines after 6 months though.

For us here in Ireland thats going to pretty much collide with the middle of winter.

Which is not ideal.

People who have beaten covid through natural immunity are in the best position now surely you’d agree?

[Cheasty]

It seems to me that waning effectiveness is strongly linked to how many unvaccinated there are in a population.

It’s also linked to the exact demographic breakdown of who remains unvaccinated, population densities, and in Israel’s case to how they actually carried out the vaccination programme - Pfizer doses three weeks apart - which is a shorter interval than recommended, and we know that the intervals between doses make a difference.

In short, the more people who get vaccinated, the better the protection will be for everybody.

@The_Most_Infamous

People who have beaten covid through natural immunity are in the best position now surely you’d agree?

No.

It is strongly recommended that people who have recovered from Covid get vaccinated.

[glasagusban]

@Cheasty

Portugal is the country to watch. 84% of the total population are double vaccinated and they’ve dropped all restrictions as of October 1st.

Why Portugal? Denmark ended covid restrictions about a month ago.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

Why Portugal? Denmark ended covid restrictions about a month ago.

Portugal is currently the best gauge for how mass vaccination will protect a population because they are the European country with the highest percentage of their population vaccinated.

[The_Most_Infamous]

@Cheasty

It seems to me that waning effectiveness is strongly linked to how many unvaccinated there are in a population.

It’s also linked to the exact demographic breakdown of who remains unvaccinated, population densities, and in Israel’s case to how they actually carried out the vaccination programme - Pfizer doses three weeks apart - which is a shorter interval than recommended, and we know that the intervals between doses make a difference.

In short, the more people who get vaccinated, the better the protection will be for everybody.

@The_Most_Infamous

People who have beaten covid through natural immunity are in the best position now surely you’d agree?

No.

It is strongly recommended that people who have recovered from Covid get vaccinated.

I think you’re underestimating the human immune system. Time will tell of course.

[glasagusban]

Denmark are a month further along and so will give you an even better gauge at a marginally lower rate.

[Cheasty]

@The_Most_Infamous

I think you’re underestimating the human immune system. Time will tell of course.

The Economist estimates over 15 million dead.

To recommend that people remain unvaccinated and get Covid is unconscionable. You run a serious risk of long term health problems if you get Covid while unvaccinated. And you do run the risk of dying, even if it is small.

The risk/benefit analysis is absolutely categorical that vaccines are by far the safest option, both on a personal and societal level.

Get vaccinated.

[The_Most_Infamous]

Thats all fine. But lets say you have recovered from Covid naturally. Why would you need to be vaccinated after that. Especially with a vaccine thats effective for 6 months just.

That doesnt really add up.