Daily Debate: Eoin Kelly (Tipperary) v Pat Horgan (cork)

[fistoffury]

You wouldn’t have been concerned about what he brought to the games v clare in '13 . Over the past 2 or 3 years he’s the man to stop, the improvement is pretty incredible really.

[the_man_himself]

I think it is hard to compare really though, if a player got three points from play in the early to mid noughties you’d say he had a great game, and generally if an inside forward player got three points from play that would mean they won a 50:50 ball with a corner back shrugged him off and hit it over for those scores. Most scores these days are lads shooting under little enough pressure after some good team play

[Fagan_ODowd]

@glasagusban

@Fagan_ODowd

In fairness they are two very good free takers.

Were either of them as good as Flynn?

Did you ever see either of them attempt the top spinner in their teams hour of crisis?

[anon60384913]

That’s a very good point in fairness

[Special_Olympiakos]

@anon78624367

in 57 Championship games Pat Horgan scored 21 goals and 403 points
in 64 Championship games Eoin Kelly scored 21 goals and 369 points

My point exactly- Horgan is a better player to anyone who hasn’t seen both play or who simply doesn’t understand hurling

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

if a team score 20 points 15 years ago they would have been fairly confident of winning that game. If you hit 20 points these days you would expect to lose by 5 or 6

[StoneCold]

@Thomas_Brady

Limerick steamers.

They’re some cunts

[StoneCold]

Horgan cost Cork the All Ireland in 18 with his aides vs Limerick in the Semi

[Fagan_ODowd]

@StoneCold

Horgan cost Cork the All Ireland in 18 with his aides vs Limerick in the Semi

It’s no wonder he’s so good.

[carryharry]

@anon78624367

Mark O’Leary was class.
John Carroll was of his time

[Batigol]

@Fagan_ODowd

Both their legacies will be tainted by the fact that they played for their counties in eras where Waterford regularly bested them.

You know you’re in a dark place when you start losing to Waterford

[kerry1891]

@anon60384913

Yes but Horgan carried threes to Munster titles and all Ireland finals. I think it’s much closer than lads are letting on.

@anon60384913

Yes but Horgan carried threes to Munster titles and all Ireland finals. I think it’s much closer than lads are letting on.

I have gone Horgan too, his skill level is majestic, he d get a shot off in phone box and score . The score at the end of the 2013 AIF was unreal.

Kelly super player but he had better players around him

I have gone with Hoggy

[carryharry]

Stick to bogball you flute.

[the_man_himself]

@kerry1891

Kelly super player but he had better players around him

Yes, John Carroll, Francis Devanney, Seamus Butler, Evan Sweeney, etc. were better players than Seamus Harnedy, Alan Cadogan, Conor Lehane, Daniel Kearney

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

Ooooffftttt

Not forgetting Willie Ryan, Micheal Webster and John Devane out of position

[the_man_himself]

Diarmuid Fitz even played a few games corner forward iirc

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

Best five forwards I’ve seen would be DJ, Kelly, English, Canning and Shefflin. There’s perhaps a bit of my own county bias there.

I’d have a second tier then with the likes of TJ Reid, Seamie, Horgan and you could fire in behind them many others like Joe Deane, Ben O’Connor, Mullane, Paul Flynn, even Richie Hogan (and Power) and maybe Lar or Pat Fox for a bit more county bias for me.

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

He did. Sure Paul Kelly was moved into the forwards as well. And they had Denis Byrne for a year or two

[anon60384913]

Ffs I was so close to doing Eoin Kelly v tj Reid I’m gutted now

[fenwaypark]

Have not read though this thread but hands down Eoin Kelly. You are comparing a great hurler to an all time great.