Fidel Castro

[Watch_The_Break]

@Sidney

Castro reduced Cuba’s illiteracy rate from over 20% to less than 4% in one year.

http://libr.org/isc/rebel-literacy-cubas-national-literacy-campaign-by-mark-abendroth/

I’ll repeat the line I posted earlier from the Guardian:
The literacy campaign begun by Castro in 1961 led, in 1970, to Unesco declaring Cuba the country with the highest primary and secondary school enrolment in Latin America.

That’s all well and good but how much value did they generate for the shareholders?

[HBV]

Why did this tyrant forbid his people from leaving Cuba?

What was that about can anyone tell me?

[johnnysachs]

These lads know the price of everything and the value of nothing. They probably think the ability to pause their Skybox while they make microwave popcorn is the fullfillment of the self actualisation stage of Maslows hierarchy of human needs.

[Tim_Riggins]

@HBV

Why did this tyrant forbid his people from leaving Cuba?

What was that about can anyone tell me?

Sidney and Company have no problem with dictators, that is clear from their support of Castro.

[HBV]

i know @Watch_The_Break is on record as conceding ‘castro wasn’t perfect’, so im hoping he can fill in the blanks for me on why castro didn’t allow anyone leave the country during his ‘reign’?

[Tim_Riggins]

Things that are allowable for @Sidney and @Watch_The_Break

• intervening in foreign lands militarily
• torture
• firing squads for political opponents
• show trials
• locking your citizens in and not allowing them to leave
• forcing hundreds of thousands of your people to flee the country
• land theft
• bringing the world to the edge of nuclear war
• ruling unelected for half a century
• handing power to your brother

All of these actions are just means in the pursuit of socialism for the lads.

[HBV]

but whatabout the cuban people and their happy little faces?

[anon61956325]

Is that in reference to America ?

[HBV]

are these lads gone back to bed or what? can any of the looney left explain to me the logic behind fidel castro not let any of his people leave his country during his 50 year reign?

[ironmoth]

@KinvarasPassion

Twas a gas ould spot all the same. One of the fellows in our group landed a local lass and went back to her ‘gaff’. She made him sit in a chair outside the bedroom before waking up her grandfather and his brother…who had to give up the bed for a few hours.

His coordination skills were tested strongly that night… trying to keep a grip of your wallet whilet making love to a carribean lass is no mean feat.

Where was this? Gort?

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Sidney

@anon7035031

The Guardian Another example of the Hollywood version of history.

Please state a list of sources which are acceptable to your fantasy version of history.

Remember, you’ve already ruled the following as illegitimate: The Guardian, the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, Vox, and anything from the “liberal media”.

The “liberal media” encompassing everything from sources other than Fox News, the Murdoch press, Breitbart and alt-right blogs, of course.

@anon7035031

Imagine that, 30% of people in Cuba lived in poverty in the 1950s. What do you think the % was in other Latin American countries, seeing as the average income in Cuba was the third highest in Latin America at the time, only better in Venezuela and Argentina? What do you think the % living in poverty in Ireland was in the 1950s? Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America before Castro’s revolution, with per capita income around 60% of Europe and 30% of the US, higher than Spain, Italy and Japan. The per capita income in Cuba now is fucking lower than it was in 1959, before Castro’s glorious revolution.

You asked for gains. You got them. Now you’re whinging because you got them.

You have an utter inability to comprehend something other than in bare money terms. You’re the stereotypical fool mentioned above who thinks the mark of success of a country is having casinos, McFlurries, McDonalds drive throughs, smart phones and, shit healthcare, shit education and massive poverty rather than a reasonable standard of living for everyone.

Presumably you lived in Cuba in the 1950s to know what the people there thought, you seem quite nostalgic for it.

@anon7035031

Leaving aside the embarrassing fact that Cubans were better off in 1953 than they are in 2016, it is utterly moronic to compare eras, given the massive strides made by the rest of the developed (capitalist) world during that time. Cuba has been long surpassed economically by almost every other Latin American country, including those it was way ahead of in 1953. Except of course Venezuela, which has been reduced to an utter shithole by your communist buddies.

Again, the complete failure to comprehend anything except through economic statistics.

Cuba has less poverty than any of those countries.

You also presumably lived in Venezuela in the late 90s to know so much more than the average Venezuelan who continually elected socialists, as did most countries in South America. I can’t think why they would have done that, oh wait, I can - it’s because US-backed regimes didn’t care about the people of those countries, only profit.

@anon7035031

As for health and education metrics, Cuba was 13th in the world for child mortality rates in 1958, and today has slipped to 24th, so much for progress. Literacy rates and spending on education were the highest per capita in Latin America. The difference between Cuba of 1958 and Cuba under Castro is it went from 30% living in poverty to everyone except for Castro and his mates living in poverty.

In 1959 there were 6,000 doctors in all of Cuba. 60 infants died per 1,000 births. 12 mothers died per 10,000 births.

Life expectancy was 58 years.

Cuba now has an infant mortality rate less than that of the USA.

And you’re telling us that it would have been better off with a US puppet regime, when the USA itself can’t even do as well as Cuba in terms of infant mortality rates.

You really do have some strange notions about health and education.

Castro reduced Cuba’s illiteracy rate from over 20% to less than 4% in one year.

http://libr.org/isc/rebel-literacy-cubas-national-literacy-campaign-by-mark-abendroth/

I’ll repeat the line I posted earlier from the Guardian:
The literacy campaign begun by Castro in 1961 led, in 1970, to Unesco declaring Cuba the country with the highest primary and secondary school enrolment in Latin America.

Read it this time.

What an excellent post. Sidney giving the alt-right axis the runaround here.

[anon61956325]

Over the internet from Cuba is it?

[ironmoth]

That’s a no-brainer for the government, though. The socialist regime allows them to collect a portion of the incomes earned by Cuban workers abroad.

[anon61956325]

Cubans can’t leave the country ?

[ironmoth]

Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Carry on.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

@ChocolateMice

Cubans can’t leave the country ?

check mate

[Tim_Riggins]

@ChocolateMice

Cubans can’t leave the country ?

Cuba relaxes travel restrictions for citizens

After Castro handed power over to his brother, this was relaxed.

Before that one would have to bribe your way out, or be in pursuit of one of Castro’s pet projects and revenue boosters i.e. sending in Cuban soldiers into Africa to intervene in foreign wars.

Of course, even today, they can block professionals deemed “essential” to national security (like lawyers, doctors, engineers).

[Sidney]

@anon7035031

The most mind numbing stupidity of the Irish loony lefties is the bemoaning of the plight of Cubans in the 1950s, a country that had a far higher standard of living than Ireland at the time (due to American investment). Gasp, Cuba had 30% poverty in 1953, how awful.

Suck on this you utter lunatics… and this is in 2013, not fucking 1953. According to the CSO, Ireland’s rate of enforced deprivation (fancy term for poverty) doubled from 2008 to 2013 and now stands at… drumroll… 30%. Even the Russian apologists at rt.com are taking the piss.

I’m really not sure what relevance Ireland 2008-2013 has to Cuba in the 1950s, but if you want to argue it, the increase in poverty in this country in that time was caused mainly by the absence of financial regulation - the very thing you advocate as a “libertarian”.

[anon61956325]

Capitalism leads to poverty? Surely not?