I think that’s a fairly stupid thing to say. As I said though, he seems to have a habit of saying stupid things.
I do think in the context of Irish politics, and particularly The Troubles and all the things that have been said or more importantly done I’m not sure a comment from 2017 would be the most troubling to me.
Stupid? Not grossly offensive to the victims to weaponise the Dublin/Monagahan bombings to make completely false comments in order to attack political opponents? It’s right out of the Tory/Trump playbook that FG incessantly use against FFG consistently use against SF and more recently against PBP and SD too “puppets of Putin” etc.
O’Donoghue is a govt minister, he made those comments, doubled down, refused to apologise and his party did not condemn or sanction. You want to downplay them as stupid? They were outrageous comments and par the course of his normal conduct which seems to be acceptable in FG.
Sure it’s the exact same as you lads blaming the theft of social welfare murder of the likes of Garda Jerry McCabe on the Brits ultimately.
The difference is I don’t.
The fact is there would never have been an IRA if nationalist communities were not degraded and denied civil rights and there was a legitimate proponent in there to fairly protect nationalist communities from sectarian unionist pogroms.
After things were allowed fester, the IRA was an inevitability and bad things were going to happen in an armed conflict, as they always do. Stopping it getting to that stage is the key.
You don’t, but SF do. So do you condemn them for the same?
SF have condemned the murder of McCabe.
Would this be the SF that gave a standing ovation at their Árd Fheis when letters from the murderers were read out and advocated for their release?
SF have a view that all badness is due ultimately to the Brits. But they don’t just excuse it, their membership celebrates the theft of social welfare and murder of a police officer, demanding that they are treated like political prisoners.
What did the letters say? I don’t think they were applauding them for murdering a Garda which seems to be what you’re inferring. Unless we know the content of the letter then your point is completely misguided.
Now I will move to your hypocrisy. Why do FG still laud the likes of Dick Mulcahy, Collins, WT Cosgrove?
Why do FF & FG expect SF to demonise any atrocity or action they committed in a violent conflict when they want to celebrate their own killers and own atrocities? If you want to lecture about morals it helps if your own hands aren’t dripping in blood and both FF and FG’s origins are in the gun and both have blood dripping from their hands.
The irony is that he probably would’ve shot the west Brit fuckers
Looking for their release.
Martin Ferris who also subsequently picked Pearse up from jail was also described as;
Remember that originally the PIRA said it wasn’t them and then they said it wasn’t authorised. That escalated over the years to SF members celebrating them and a sitting TD picking them up from jail.
Here’s a piece of literature around the time;
And here are Republicans wishing the men a Merry Christmas in Belfast.
I’m not sure why you are bringing up men dead over three quarters of a century into this. If you are comparing a Pearse McCauley to WT Cosgrave then go right ahead. I believe Pearse was only disowned by SF once he beat his wife who now happens to be a TD. The same wife who was served up to Pearse in jail to marry like a cult.
Five years after WT Cosgrave gave up the fight his government was building Ardnacrusha and securing the Balfour Declaration. Five years after SF surrendered they were cheering and celebrating men who robbed social welfare and murdered a policeman. It’s no wonder that 20 years down the line that a United Ireland is flailing so badly.
I mean this is factually incorrect. The party as a whole celebrates him but one of their most recent Taoisigh is on the record as criticising Easter 1916 and the War of Independence.
This is the FG thread. You are ranting on SF and letters you don’t even know the content of.
You might address why you think it’s ok for FG founding figures to murder RIC officers and British intell agents, rob post offices, execute prisoners, disappear women and children and whatever other atrociticies they were involved in and still celebrate the culprits 100 years on withoutever apologising or condemning them.
This is why you’ve zero credibility, you are a brazen, unrepentant hypocrite who uses victims of something you don’t care about as a political football.
Speaks volumes of your (lack of) character.
Of course I know the context.
PSF originally said it was nothing to do with them, then they said it was unauthorised. Then they launched a campaign to get it treated like the armed campaign.
Letters and statements from the thieves and murderers were regularly released by them at the time. They were being celebrated and cheered in Republican areas of Belfast.
Martin Ferris even got a standing ovation over them, and subsequently picked him up from prison.
The point here is that PSF bucketed those violent crimes into the bucket of a campaign they blamed the Brits for. There was a view here that the acts of the PIRA partly brought certain violence to the South- I personally disagree with it but it was there at the time.
This has very little to do with the campaign of murder, robberies, disappearances and executions of men, women, children and prisoners carried out by the founding fathers of the political party you support and the same individuals still widely celebrated by them 100 years on.
It has also little to do with the horrific offensive, insulting and completely false statements made by numerous FG ministers whereby they have used victims of The Troubles as political footballs, doubled down and refused to say sorry. Neither have been condemned or faced sanction from their party.
This is the FG thread and rather than address these issues, you are here, ranting and raving like a madman about SF.
You’re a truly vile individual.
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You seem to flailing all over the place. Why are you referring to 100 years ago and my post? 
I already said I disagreed with O’Donovan’s statement. I think the perpetrators of violence are responsible for that. Whether that was the bombings in the early 1970s or murdering to get social welfare in 1996. I merely said it is the same type of thinking.
You’ll note that I have never supported violence and I am termed a West Brit for such. You very much do support it though- you even previously said you had no issue with PSF embracing the Castlerea Five:
It rings hollow when you claim to care about victims with behaviour like that.
You “disagreed” with it. He doubled down on it, continued to insult and use victims of The Troubles as a political football and his party made no sanction or condemnation of him.
It’s the culture of FG to cynically use victims of The Troubles as political footballs without a shred of regard to them. It’s toxic, right out of the Trump/Tory playbook of referencing incidents 40 years ago to deflect away from current govt failings and scandals.
It’s also hugely hypocritical for them when they never offered any sense of justice or compassion to the innocent victims of their founding father and add insult to injury by continuing to glorify people like Richard Mulcahy and WT Cosgrave.
I’d like to see you address that but you refuse to, instead ranting away about SF.
He’s of the opinion that the Provos helped violence spiral and impacted on this. Again it is a viewpoint similar to the one that says that the Troubles and all violence was ultimately the result of Britain.
Again, FG had a Taoiseach on the record as being highly critical of the War of Independence. They also had the likes of James Dillon as leader, what do you think his family view was of the WoI?
It’s a broad church really. A point you miss on FG and FF of yesteryear is that once they got power they did not engage in forlorn campaigns to justify the unjustifiable like various Civil War acts. They expended their energy on the State and the Constitution, for better or worse. PSF have spent most of their energy on trying to get “their” boys viewed the same way that a Michael Collins was. That’s why we had the campaign over the likes of the Castlerea Five campaign where they were celebrated and supported for trying to rob social welfare and murdering a police officer.
There is a point to he made that Ireland cannot move forward to a UI whilst celebrating the men of 1916 or the WoI like they do. A very convincing one in fact, however PSF are a mile from that.
Maybe he should read the Barron report and see the role his own political party played in ensuring those victims and their families never got justice.
He didn’t believe any of what you said. He grossly insulted victims of state terrorism with poisonous lies. It was an outrageous comment to make, laden in mistruths an inverted sectarian motives against northern nationalist.
The same Taoiseach who did everything in his power to scupper a peace deal in the north, who did everything in his power to suppress the role of the British state in terrorist atrocities from being uncovered? Where did Bruton publicly vilify Mulcahy? Where did he condemn his parties glorification of Collins? Nowhere.
It’s not really, founded in far right fascism with disgusting gaslighting of minority communities and working class people from the day dot, from one leader to the next. FFG never condemned the Civil War, they just pretended it never happened, no justice for the victims, no enquiries, still denying any proper account of what happened in Ballyseedy 100 years on. FG annualy eulogise people like Mulcahy as a hero yet never express remorse or regret at Ballyseedy, about Eoin O’Duffy, Blythe and all the other heinous individual associated with their foundation. They just pretend they don’t exist.
They want truth and accountability on The Troubles, but only on the republican side, they want to protect British state involvement in the largest terrrorist atrocity in their own state. They never had any truth and accountability on the Civil War and openly celebrate and eulogise the main protagonists without any remorse expressed for the some of their actions.
You’re a walking, talking contradiction.
