That’s for lads who like to finger bird’s fannys and arse holes at the same time- Builds up good alternating wrist and middle finger strength.
I’ll be ok working away at the regular ones so? I wouldn’t want double finger anything approaching a weight one would deadlift.
This is a classic case of trainers trying to make themselves look better by throwing in fancy exercises. Circuit training with repetitions is a good base, but really doesn’t do enough for GAA players. The basis for Strength & Conditioning is to keep players fit and strong enough to avoid injury as much as is reasonable for a long hard season.
As mentioned count, holding a guy up or handing a guy off are technically fouls in Gaelic football but of course it happens. Core as stated is important and as also mentioned Cleans and Olympic lifts are a great tool. Power Cleans are the magic exercise for footballers. The problem is the Olympic exercises need to be taught. Poor technique on a Clean can be a disaster. And even if you are decent technically if you are not strong in the lumbar area and in the spinal erectors you could e causing damage when loading heavier on Cleans. A possIble alternative is programming Snatch Grip Deadlifts, 1 leg RDL’s and jump Squats in your program. Use the warm up to practice the Hamg Clean with light loads. That way you ate building the spinal erectors (Snatch Deads), one legged strength & power thru the hips (sj’s) and also working on technique.
One massive mistake made is guys found full or power cleans on same day as dead lifting heavy. The clean is a dead in itself and a power move at that. You will be over loading.
But lastly, stopping someone has more to do with technique and timing than anything you do in the gym, although when you are well trained try are interchangeable and one helps the other.
But Count you seem to think you know it all anyway, don’t know why you bother asking. I’d say you’re hard to coach.
Kev, what is your take on the vast increase in young players having hip operations over the last while?
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 739633, member: 273”]This is a classic case of trainers trying to make themselves look better by throwing in fancy exercises. Circuit training with repetitions is a good base, but really doesn’t do enough for GAA players. The basis for Strength & Conditioning is to keep players fit and strong enough to avoid injury as much as is reasonable for a long hard season.
As mentioned count, holding a guy up or handing a guy off are technically fouls in Gaelic football but of course it happens. Core as stated is important and as also mentioned Cleans and Olympic lifts are a great tool. Power Cleans are the magic exercise for footballers. The problem is the Olympic exercises need to be taught. Poor technique on a Clean can be a disaster. And even if you are decent technically if you are not strong in the lumbar area and in the spinal erectors you could e causing damage when loading heavier on Cleans. A possIble alternative is programming Snatch Grip Deadlifts, 1 leg RDL’s and jump Squats in your program. Use the warm up to practice the Hamg Clean with light loads. That way you ate building the spinal erectors (Snatch Deads), one legged strength & power thru the hips (sj’s) and also working on technique.
One massive mistake made is guys found full or power cleans on same day as dead lifting heavy. The clean is a dead in itself and a power move at that. You will be over loading.
But lastly, stopping someone has more to do with technique and timing than anything you do in the gym, although when you are well trained try are interchangeable and one helps the other.
But Count you seem to think you know it all anyway, don’t know why you bother asking. I’d say you’re hard to coach.[/quote]
“technically” indeed.
On what basis re the hard to coach statement?
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 739633, member: 273”]This is a classic case of trainers trying to make themselves look better by throwing in fancy exercises. Circuit training with repetitions is a good base, but really doesn’t do enough for GAA players. The basis for Strength & Conditioning is to keep players fit and strong enough to avoid injury as much as is reasonable for a long hard season.
As mentioned count, holding a guy up or handing a guy off are technically fouls in Gaelic football but of course it happens. Core as stated is important and as also mentioned Cleans and Olympic lifts are a great tool. Power Cleans are the magic exercise for footballers. The problem is the Olympic exercises need to be taught. Poor technique on a Clean can be a disaster. And even if you are decent technically if you are not strong in the lumbar area and in the spinal erectors you could e causing damage when loading heavier on Cleans. A possIble alternative is programming Snatch Grip Deadlifts, 1 leg RDL’s and jump Squats in your program. Use the warm up to practice the Hamg Clean with light loads. That way you ate building the spinal erectors (Snatch Deads), one legged strength & power thru the hips (sj’s) and also working on technique.
One massive mistake made is guys found full or power cleans on same day as dead lifting heavy. The clean is a dead in itself and a power move at that. You will be over loading.
But lastly, stopping someone has more to do with technique and timing than anything you do in the gym, although when you are well trained try are interchangeable and one helps the other.
But Count you seem to think you know it all anyway, don’t know why you bother asking. I’d say you’re hard to coach.[/quote]
its cunts like you who are ruining football kev with your all singing ,all dancing exercises…learn to kick the ball over the bar with either foot from 45 yards and inwards and you won´t need to worry about these spine curling exercises…
Honestly I can’t say as I have background info on this and didn’t know it was a massive issue. If this is te case then it’s very serious and an awful indiciment on their coaching. Of course it may well be them doing thesis own stuff and not knowing what they are doing.
But one thing I have seen in guys that is common is just simple poor mobility In The hip area. This is easily enough rectified in most guys with mobility work which I program with everyone now anyway. So let’s say a deadliest would be supersetted with a rotational squat or something similar.
Alot of it is to do with what they do everyday compounding a small issue. That could be sitting poorly, lifting heavy stuff at work poorly or whatever.
It could ALS be doing things like cleans really poorly and or doing too much gym work in top of a hip mobility issue
Shut up you fool. It’s counts like me that make it better. I’m a football coach scumpot as well, I understand the game and what’s needed. The problem is with guys who write Strength and Conditioning programs for a group and/or general non football specific. Not everyone can squat, not everyone can deadlift etc.
Even here I had to learn quickly about some of the variances in Aussie Rules. Wrestling was not something I had considered, grip strength is not something I would normally emphasize either but I had to consider these elements.
That’s the problem, getting people who don’t know the sport or are just personal trainers or are people just out of college with a Sports Science degree, they are the worst as they get given massive leeway. S&C is all about experience, getting practical experience as an assistant etc.
That’s what made Cian O Neill so good, he understood the science and the game.
People like him and hopefully myself as well someday make the game better. Help it get faster, more skillful etc etc. It’s poor decisions by managers and county boards getting in people not up to the job is a major issue. I have exact experien e right here, where a Sports Science Masters Student has completely missed putting in acceleration and deceleration training in te field conditioning program. That’s pretty significant considering a midfielder may accelerate 100 times a game. Now not conditioning for that increases each players chance of injury.
Get why it’s important scum?
The website Kev is getting his info from is bang on. Each and every person will initially need a specific program when it comes to S&C- everyone will have their own strengths and weaknesses and as mentioned a lot of people can’t squat properly because of something like mobility so you obviously have to work on something like that first and gradually on proper form.
I had a guy show me how to squat properly and it was nearly two weeks before he let me near a bar my whole form and flexibility were so off and even then it was just the bar and squatting down onto a bench behind me. Same goes with any Olympic lifts… Throughout out life we accumulate bad habits in posture, flexibility, mobility etc and most of these need to be ironed out before you can even think of moving forward with proper S&C. Yoga or Pilates is something I’d nearly recommend all sports persons to take up.
[quote=“ChocolateMice, post: 739657, member: 168”]The website Kev is getting his info from is bang on. Each and every person will initially need a specific program when it comes to S&C- everyone will have their own strengths and weaknesses and as mentioned a lot of people can’t squat properly because of something like mobility so you obviously have to work on something like that first and gradually on proper form.
I had a guy show me how to squat properly and it was nearly two weeks before he let me near a bar my whole form and flexibility were so off and even then it was just the bar and squatting down onto a bench behind me. Same goes with any Olympic lifts… Throughout out life we accumulate bad habits in posture, flexibility, mobility etc and most of these need to be ironed out before you can even think of moving forward with proper S&C. Yoga or Pilates is something I’d nearly recommend all sports persons to take up.[/quote]
Think one of the worst things done in team sports and the GGA is shocking for this is handing out a standard pre-season weights program for all players in the team. Convinced this is the reason behind a lot of injury problems lads can’t shake off. In my experience, the lads working in the gyms are no better. Attitude seems to be there is a free machine or bar, lets smash the muscles as hard as possible until failure.
Must get back to hot yoga myself. About as mobile as a hungover Glenn Whelan these days
Great attack on Count there for no real reason.
It’s great to have Kev back.
Not sure it was an attack on count, he did say its “counts like me” which would suggest he sees count in his own image.
But yes, it is good to have the man back.
[quote=“The Runt, post: 739667, member: 181”]Great attack on Count there for no real reason.
It’s great to have Kev back.[/quote]
[quote=“myboyblue, post: 739671, member: 180”]Not sure it was an attack on count, he did say its “counts like me” which would suggest he sees count in his own image.
But yes, it is good to have the man back.[/quote]
Picking myself back off the canvas this morning, from reasonable discourse this thread went off a cliff to a personal attack…
substituting my name for a part of the female anatomy…
all i wanted was some advice…
[quote=“count of monte cristo, post: 739677, member: 348”]Picking myself back off the canvas this morning, from reasonable discourse this thread went off a cliff to a personal attack…
substituting my name for a part of the female anatomy…
all i wanted was some advice…[/quote]
You are getting great advice and you won’t take it you stubborn fuck
Great circuits session again last night. Feeling it in the legs a bit this morning.
It’s not my fault im hard to coach
I definitely have accurate recollections of you seeking advice in fitness threads in the past. Kev would then provide you with information and you’d come back subsequently to list out what exercises you did and you’d have invariably ignored Kev’s advice. I therefore also conclude that you’re difficult to coach.
Where?
i’d like some evidence
[quote=“ChocolateMice, post: 739657, member: 168”]The website Kev is getting his info from is bang on. Each and every person will initially need a specific program when it comes to S&C- everyone will have their own strengths and weaknesses and as mentioned a lot of people can’t squat properly because of something like mobility so you obviously have to work on something like that first and gradually on proper form.
I had a guy show me how to squat properly and it was nearly two weeks before he let me near a bar my whole form and flexibility were so off and even then it was just the bar and squatting down onto a bench behind me. Same goes with any Olympic lifts… Throughout out life we accumulate bad habits in posture, flexibility, mobility etc and most of these need to be ironed out before you can even think of moving forward with proper S&C. Yoga or Pilates is something I’d nearly recommend all sports persons to take up.[/quote]
We’re not all bluffers like most of the copy/paste brigade here CM. although the Internet is a vital tool for any S&C coach, not using it would be quite silly.
I stopped all back Squats at the club here, probably only 4 guys out of 60-70 can do it properly. The loading of your spine done badly is pretty detrimental to your health and is not absolutely needed by footballers. I daresay the bast majority of people posting here are doing themselves damage going on the reading.
Being absolutely fuckedthe day after training isn’t really a great barometer of the training session itself. In fact usually it’s a sign of over loading, or too much too fast. This is a chronic problem in GAA as players have no proper off season and either go and play soccer or something to stop their body having some healing time or they go and do very little for 3-4 months and then go back and go mad at it again. I did it myself for a while but soon copped on it’s very silly. It seems it continues unabated now though.