Donât forget he was a terrorist as well.
Indeed, to the Brits he was a murdering butcher. Perspective is everything.
I didnât compare lee to any of those people, I asked about statues. Iâm trying to get to your views on statues in general. Are all statues sacrosanct?
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This one is and thatâs what iâm arguing for, your throwing a net around the whole idea to suit your agenda. Every statue and monument needs to be discussed on itâs individual merit and well you know it!
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Arguably worse if you consider that he devoted his massive talents and energies to the perpetuation of one of the greatest injustices in human history.
Iâm not charging in Sidney style and saying youâre a pack of racists but for a lot of people saying Lee was great if you ignore slavery is like saying Hitler was great if you ignore anti-semitism. You mightnât like that but thatâs what it means for them. By a lot of people I mean any black person.
I think really these are decisions for the locals to make. I donât think conservatives or liberals either should be piling into Charlottsville or wherever.
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You realise Lee was staunch anti slavery?
Can you imagine being a Brit walking down Bridge St in Clonakilty and a big ignorant statue of Mickey Collins standing there giving it loads? How would it make you feel? Itâs a wonder itâs lasted so long really and West Cork so full of Tans.
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Theyâre hippies mate up the hills in clonakilty. They probably salute the statue and get a nod back
Rommell probably opposed the Holocaust.
All these historical figures take on a meaning outside of themselves. I assume you accept that the civil war wouldnât have happened without the abolition/slavery debate.
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Lee wasnât fighting for slavery ---- the civil war was about much more than that.
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Iâd say auld Mick would give them a saucy wink.
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Thomas Jefferson who wrote the declaration of independence, you know, âall men are created equalâ. That fella. He had over 600 slaves.
Should America be abolished?
Yes.
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The majority of the founding fathers were slave owning racists.
The heads should be taken off Mount Rushmore
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Anything or anyone who offends anything or anyone should be destroyed. The overarching human right to not be offended by anything or anyone is sacrosanct and overrides everything else.
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lads, itâs a dangerous game going back a few centuries to get your daily dose of outrage.
Slavery was a main reason along with planned gross taxation on the Southern states, Lincoln himself originally stated he had no intention either willfully or lawfully eligible to abolish slavery but he could tax the maximum from agricultural profits in the Southern states. The elites were slave owners the white farmers many who were tenant workers who were poor themselves had no hope if the upper class lost out. 4% of Confederate soldiers were slave owners. Succession for the every man of the South came from a feeling of second class treatment from their Northern neighbours, look at the sheer size of the states today now imagine itâs 1861.
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Lincoln himself didnt believe Whites/Blacks were equals ⌠lets tear down the Lincoln Memorial âŚ
The main objection to slavery, as I understand, it was twofold - the three-fifths clause, which allowed Southern states to count slaves for the purposes of representation in the federal government irked the north ---- and the slave labour gave the south a much stronger economy.
More representation + more wealth.
There was a staunch group of abolitionists alright, but they were few and far between. The majority of people from the north did not really believe that whites / blacks were equal, they just wanted to even out the status quo.
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