General Election 2016

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That’s not the case. Your vote keeps transferring if it keeps featuring in a surplus or an eliminated candidate.

The actual selection of the surplus is complicated though. Because it specifically only distributes the last votes that exceeded the quota then I would think votes that transferred in are more likely to transfer on than other votes. Open to correction on that bit. Anyone care to enlighten me? They certainly aren’t excluded anyway.

The general point on Pat the Cope absorbing SF transfers is definitely relevant though.

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2246

Nah, your vote can transfer multiple times

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2247

Informative rating.

Is it the case that if Pat the Cope gets elected on Doherty’s from Doherty’s surplus, resulting in a surplus for himself then that is transferred on?

This is the kind of shit I forget between elections.

2248

And that fool telling you the other day that you didn’t understand PR-STV voting. :grinning:

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Basically, Dohertys surplus to quota would be distributed based on proportion of next valid/live preference of the block of votes that got him over the quota.

2250

Right croppy. I’ve lumped on this Shields fella. Make it happen.

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Ah right, it’s comign back to me now.

So Doherty ends up transferring 2000 no 2 votes to Gallagher. Gallagher only needs 1200 for a quota so 800 of the no 3s from Doherty are transferred on in the next count.

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He needs a big final two weeks but if he can tie down more support in Donegal Town and Ballybofey he shoudll do it.

Nearly every vote in West Donegal and Inishowen will be take by Gallagher/Doherty and McConalogue/MacLochainn so no point in going after them.

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Doesn’t alter the fact that the IRA is a terror organization.

I accept that some uneducated people and unemployed people may opt to vote for Sinn Fein. That is their democratic right.

2255

Do you recognize the Good Friday Agreement, yes or no?

2256

The fucker wouldn’t recognise his own mother ffs.

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2257

What’s that got to do with General Election 2016?

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The Good Friday Agreement is not something any Irish ‘republican’ should be proud of or using to score points.

It signaled the end of the ‘fight’ to unite Ireland, in exchange for the Irish ‘fighters’ given cosy jobs distributing British coin.

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Ah right, it’s comign back to me now.

So Doherty ends up transferring 2000 no 2 votes to Gallagher. Gallagher only needs 1200 for a quota so 800 of the no 3s from Doherty are transferred on in the next count.
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800 is Gallagher’s surplus.

There is a % of Doherty’s votes to Gallagher that are transferable. That may be > 800 or < 800.

If it’s say 1600 transferable votes (i.e. > 800) then the 1800 are all counted and divided among the next preferences, say MacLochlainn 1200 and Pringle 400. They are put into little piles and the the first 600 of MacLochlainn’s bundle of 1200 are all transferred to MacLochlainn and the first 200 of Pringle’s bundle of 400 are all transferred to Pringle. Gallagher keeps the other 800 of transferable votes though he doesn’t need them (along with the 400 non transferable votes). Those 800 transferable votes which were not transferred are distributed after the count is complete and everyone elected to determine the final standings of everyone (for expenses purposes and records etc).

If there are only 400 transferable votes (i.e. < 800) then the full 400 are distributed.

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Labour junior minister Ged Nash said the interview showed Adams had “little or no concept of the marginal tax rate.
Given ample opportunities to clarify his party’s position, Gerry Adams didn’t even recognise the extent of his errors and dismissed any such questioning.
“This is a man who has to take his shoes off to help him count to 20.”

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2261

Ged Nash is a simpleton.

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Any Irish person called Ged is a cunt.

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2263

Below is my explanation. It is a little complicated.

Distributions work as follows:
If a candidate clears the quota ON THE FIRST COUNT and has say 5000 votes to redistribute the 5000 are redistributed based on the % of overall to the 2nd preference.
Lets say candidate 2 gets 20% of second preferences from ALL of Candidates no. 1’s, he then gets transferred 1,000 votes.

Here is where it gets complicated. From the second count on.
Lets say candidate 2 clears the quota by 500 now. To redistribute this 500 ONLY the 1,000 that are transferred in are analysed to be distributed.

The logic behind this is that none of candidate 2’s first preference votes would have been distributed if transfers hadn’t brought them over the line, therefore they are not counted only those which brought them to the quota are transferred.

In contrast if a candidate is eliminated ALL of their votes are redistributed according to preferences.

The implication of this is that those votes which are transferred are indeed more likely to transfer again.

STRATEGY TO MAXIMISE YOUR VOTE
The way the system works if there are 5 candidates who you have equal fancy for you should vote them 1-5 in order of how unlikely they are to be elected, i.e. least likely first as that means your vote will carry on to the more likely to be elected.
If you vote for the most likely to be elected first then your vote will more than likely stop counting before you get to the last on your list.
So if you take Limerick and imagine I like the SD candidate and Mickey Noonan exactly equally. I know Noonan is a cert so I give him 2 and the SD lad 1.

A well wielded vote could actually give you a lot more bang for your buck, than a poorly used one.

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He was 6/1 this morning, in to 3/1 now.

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Boom! I’m already a winner value wise so. Take note @glasagusban