At the end of the day it doesnt matter a fuck for Labour. Burton is under pressure to hold her own seat. The way things are going they will be swallowed up by Sinn Fein come 2021and they will all be bowing to Mary Lou.
Kelly has come out fighting in the last week or two and much an all as I despise the cunt, hes still more effective then Burton
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Sorry it took so long to get back.Soā¦
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No I didnt. I criticised lenihan for only listening to the advice of the banks., not seeking advice. It has been well documented that there was a representation of every bank there on the night of the guarantee.
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Never said it was personally motivated by Lenihan , said he was led, like a fool, by fellas/mates who contributed heaps to the party coffers. He trusted the lads who āknewā.
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Not sure why you are bringing Labour into an argument about the actions of FF and Brian Lenihsn. You say itās irony, but itās just whataboutery. Ironically what you said made you enter this debate.
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No.Iām not ignoring the state of the finances of the country prior to it, If youāll excuse the analogy, the car was heading at top speed towards the cliff, but the decision of guaranteeing the banks without any idea of how much it was cost was akin to taking of the seat belts and putting the foot on the pedal.
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Iām not ignoring any actions of labour, we were discussing a decision prior to their election, specifically the legacy of FF and Brian Lenihan.
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Again, ask my bollox. I donāt think the public sector shouldnāt share the burden on the country, but as anyone with half a brain realises, if you donāt have to pay out north of 37 billion, the savings of 3 billion arenāt as pressing.
7.Debating statements by Ambrose is perfectly ok. You did after all step into an argument between myself and himself and offer opinions on it. As for SF, it was just convenient that your patronising response to my mention of the friendship between FF and the banks, particularly Anglo, was brought up by O CaolƔin as a parliamentary question. And as you seem to enjoy pointing out that I would generally be a Labour supporter, It suited me to poinyt out that what you suggested was ridiculous when I said it was a point of outrage for SF.
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Your opinion and
But SF have nothing to do with anything.
Labour have direct actions on this topic while in government. You have explained to the forum that you are supporting Labour in this campaign.
You seem to think I have some relationship with SF. Iām fairly sure they wonāt be my #1 vote. They never have been.
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āIn other wordsā?? Bullshit. I didnāt critcise hime for seeking advice from the banks. I criticised him for listening to them, and solely them, on the night of the guarantee. Neither McWilliams, nor any other supposed dissenting voice were present. McWilliams at the banking enquiry said that he advised due process. Feel free to google it.
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Calling out a personal/party relationship is exactly what Iām saying. Thank you. What Iām not saying is that Lenihan deliberately structured the extra working hours of public servants to placate his friends. That, as you suggested, would be ludicrous. It was the legacy of the bank guarantee, Lenihanās legacy, the exact thing that we were discussing.
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You may not have debated āany of thatā but you put it in your post. As I replied to it in direct points. Fair enough if you want to back off now.
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So youāve retreated from Ambroseās points being relevant to this, as it was the original argument, understandable. With regard to SF, Iām sorry if I believed for some reason that you were a supporter of SF, I canāt remember what would possibly have given me that impression.
John Moran, ex Sec gen of the dept of finance was on the radio this morning. I was only half listening but I think he said only 12% of the increased debt interest costs were caused by bank bailouts with the rest caused by the budgetary implosion ie we were spending too much and taxing too little. His point was while the banking inquiry etc was important it was key to remember the other factors that caused so much of the austerity and to put similar effort into not repeating those mistakes.
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I believe my parish has saved the country. John Moran and Alan Aherne followed by Michael Noonan.
Lets hear it for Mungret
Brilliant 
Can you have a few words and tell them that the shot of Porto beach (49secs) is too short. Ta.
Is that lady Scottish?
Thereās a sign beside her which is probably offering some lunch/dinner for ā¬8.95ā¦thatās 20 cent less than the minimum wage.
On minimum wage you earn ā¬400 a week, ā¬1,600 a month. Rent in Dublin for a one bed room box is ā¬1k a month. ā¬1,600 would barely cover the crĆØche fees for the children if she had them and workedā¦
Food/transport/billsā¦
Someone earnjng over ā¬100k should be honoured to pay a wee bit extra tax and proud to.
Those that do will also have VHI or equivalent, yes they will have paid for it, but there is still no worries with Mr minimum jumping the queue for that cancer diagnosis.
A pension too.
Neither will those on ā¬100k be holidaying beside that lot even if they do manage to save for that holiday in lanzagrotty.
Sharing the wealth isnāt robbing one half of the community and giving to the other. Itās just fairness. Helping. Assistance. A rising tide.
Imagine five years from now, those earning ā¬100k look back and say, yes Iām paying a wee bit more tax but the standard of living for all has improved, education standards in those previous shit schools is up, crime is down, waiting list in hospitals have decreased. Ireland is a better place.
It is possible.
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It might be possible if the large multinational corporations, the banks, and more importantly the 1% had your altruistic viewpoint.
The unfortunate thing is they donāt and they never will. If anything the gap between those that have a few euros in their pocket and those that donāt is going to increase and get worse going forward.
Bleak outlook I know, but thatās how I see it with the current establishment anyway particularly with Brussels calling the shots.
This is a truly beautiful pledge. Please explain what it is that you propose to do to up the education standards in āprevious shit schoolsā. And in the 5 (five) years you mention. I presume you have a plan. It may have various steps, I imagine. Iād also like a brief outline on how crime will be down.
So, what you are saying is you would rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less rich?
About a minute in
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw
My point was those over ā¬100k paying more tax to fund areas which will benefit the less well off.
Funds go to public services, health and education.
Some kid in Portmarnock leaving college 5 years ago couldnāt get a job and he headed to London or Australia.
Some kid in the north inner city living school 5 years ago didnāt have a chance.
Invest in the school/areas that need it, through fair taxes, those earning over ā¬100k pay and that child and those areas will prosper.
Prop up FG, and drink pink champagne with Ruari Quinn in the four seasons and youāll achieve nothing and change nothingā¦other than a porch and a gable end.