peter g texted me
You seem particularly poorly versed on SFâs policies. They arenât proposing to get rid of the USC. They have a fairly conservative spending policy. They are concerned about the global economy and the dangers of overspending. Your emphatic generalisations are way off.
1 Like
IRA / Sinn Fein would not have any support from decent people.
So what you are saying is that SF are just the status quo then as I am? SF are effectively suggesting that though by promising to stop nearly 300k people being charged it.
Sorry to correct my earlier statement, there are one group proposing something radically different and who are anti establishment. Itâs the genuine socialist left of Richard Boyd Barrett ect.
SF are just another repackaging the political norm in Ireland.
O shit
How. Is my friend
Youâve made a fool of yourself.
- SF are populist for abolishing USC. [wrong]
- Oh theyâre not abolishing it. Well they effectively are! [crap point. Iâm wrong but Iâll pretend I was right]
- Theyâre just like everyone else then in keeping the status quo. [But everyone else âmainstreamâ has proposed getting rid of it].
I know this will prompt an irrelevant response trying to distract from the fact you were blatantly wrong.
You may not like SFâs economic policies but they are clearly recognisably different from those of FF/FG and Labour.
3 Likes
I never actually said SF were abolishing USC, point me to where I did. I said their support base would be happy if they had a cut in it.
Can you point out where I said that Rocko?
I like them. Itâs very early to judge them because itâs hard enough to know how their policies will gel together and what directions they will be taking but from what Iâve seen so far they seem to have well thought-out policies, they have capable TDs and they look like they might well be ideologically different enough to carve out a space for themselves.
Hard to do that though (PDs tried the same but failed miserably because they just ended up being a disparate group of strong voices who couldnât really stay on message and who played second fiddle too often for too long).
I like their candidate in Dublin Bay North (he has done very well at local level) and Iâd like to see them do well.
1 Like
Michael Noonan did nothing about the sexual abuse allegations in that care home 20 years ago and today heâs the Minister for Finance.
[quote=âTim_Riggins, post:1836, topic:21776, full:trueâ].
I never actually said SF were abolishing USC, point me to where I did. I said their support base would be happy if they had a cut in it.
Can you point out where I said that Rocko?
[/quote]
Oh thatâs an interesting take on things, Tim.
Your last point said âthey effectively are.â Your first point said their supporters wanted that to happen. It was clearly what you thought and it was the basis for your argument until you had it pointed out to you that it was wrong. Youâre not doing yourself any favours with this tactic:
Post 1 - make incorrect statement
Post 2 - defend incorrect statement in light of correction being pointed out
Post 3 - pretend you didnât make incorrect statement.
1 Like
You made a statement saying before that I said they proposed them saying they will abolish USC. Where did I say that? What I said was that their support would be happy in a cut in what they have to pay. By bringing 300k out that is exactly what they are doing.
What I said was that SFâs support in this election are just taking a rump of support from Labour in the last election and FF before that. It is looking for the status quo. They arenât anti establishment, they just want what they had in the 2000s back.
Anti establishment, people genuinely talking about change in this country are the likes of RBB. They are radical and different. The political consensus in Ireland is for spend while you have it. All of the 4 main parties go for that to different degrees. Hence why, FG have even retreated from going on about tax cut to more public spending. Hence why FF are focusing on âfairnessâ.
There is no genuinely strong anti establishment vote in this country and no genuine signs of change like there is in the US.
[quote=âTim_Riggins, post:1840, topic:21776, full:trueâ].
You made a statement saying before that I said they proposed them saying they will abolish USC. Where did I say that? What I said was that their support would be happy in a cut in what they have to pay. By bringing 300k out that is exactly what they are doing.
What I said was that SFâs support in this election are just taking a rump of support from Labour in the last election and FF before that. It is looking for the status quo. They arenât anti establishment, they just want what they had in the 2000s back.
Anti establishment, people genuinely talking about change in this country are the likes of RBB. They are radical and different. The political consensus in Ireland is for spend while you have it. All of the 4 main parties go for that to different degrees. Hence why, FG have even retreated from going on about tax cut to more public spending. Hence why FF are focusing on âfairnessâ.
There is no genuinely strong anti establishment vote in this country and no genuine signs of change like there is in the US.
[/quote]
Youâve won, Tim. I canât be arsed reminding you of your contradictions, your factual errors, your failure to understand the various economic policies, your lack of familiarity with the substantially different tax proposals and the folly of your generalisations based on something you picked up from a guy in the pub 10 years ago.
Actually he did do something.
Passing the buck is a form of doing something, I suppose.
Another scandalous incorrect statement from this poster.
Check the record.
Rocko, point out before you said I had claimed SF would abolish USC please. Was not said.
You can dance around that but you were mistaken.
Iâd change the record if I was you. Youâre this forumâs equivalent of somebody playing âThe Millennium Prayerâ by Cliff Richard a thousand times in a row.
1 Like
Lying might make you feel better but you were wrong. He did do something. The person appealed. It is not the job of the Minister for Health to intervene and direct social services away from doing what they do on a daily basis.
The Hep C stuff, fair enough have a go at him, but that the above is just pure nonsense.
1 Like