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[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1066936, member: 112”]I’d say mainly because most people dont agree with your commentary. I personally know no one who wants to “trade up”, and thats across the board. Most people arent living beyond their means, they are doing whatever they can just to keep going and be able to be there for their family. There are people I know who have not been on holidays for years, but still both have to work. There is a lot more cost of living these days. Some circumstances mean that both parents have to work, and that they have to have 2 cars. I’m sure if people could, they’d only have one working parent.
And whilst I think its admirable that you think it is very simple to do this, reality is very different, and things like that annoy people, especially when you are commenting on something that you dont currently experience and the vast majority of people in Ireland with kids have both parents working, so there is a high chance you are making judgements on a vast majority of people on here with kids.
Your first comment on this was to say that one parent should not work, and what’s wrong with people, straight away insinuating that families with both parents working are neglecting their kids for the sake of money and wanting a lavish lifestyle. If you can make it out how its so simple to raise a family and be able to provide for their future on one income, in a period where salaries have been greatly reduced, still in the middle of a recession and taxes are at their highest in years, then it would be great.
You are starting to change your tone on it, but you didnt start off that way, which is why people went after your “10%”[/QUOTE]
I was on about au pairs etc. I actually said they should not work or work less, the 2nd part you conveniently let out.
I have said all along that some people are unavoidably in that situation. Some of their own doing, some unfortunate/unlucky.
The main thrust of my point is people are continuing to do it. Trying to read up that is. Maybe it’s a generation thing that you are seeing.
However there are people all over here where I live with the mother at home or in part time work. One guy I know is a van driver for a butchers, how is he doing it?
I believe, and again this is the maths side of it (and I do know well what it costs to live here) you both don’t Have to work in a lot of cases. And that as TUM points out it’s a personal decision to work and it’s about having ABC material things which we have become accustomed to. My personal belief, and I don’t need to have kids to believe this, is that the kid loses out by having 2 working parents, especially if it’s some au pair coming in. I think, and I will do this, some career sacrifices have to be made for the sake of the kids sometimes. Anything else is just selfish. Ye may not like that, but I don’t really give a fuck. I believe in many cases it’s just parents racing to be the most successful at whatever and forgetting what’s important.
Then again maybe not everybody should have kids or have them till ready.
Obviously not directed at anyone in particular, just a general view.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066946, member: 273”]I was on about au pairs etc. I actually said they should not work or work less, the 2nd part you conveniently let out.
I have said all along that some people are unavoidably in that situation. Some of their own doing, some unfortunate/unlucky.
The main thrust of my point is people are continuing to do it. Trying to read up that is. Maybe it’s a generation thing that you are seeing.
However there are people all over here where I live with the mother at home or in part time work. One guy I know is a van driver for a butchers, how is he doing it?
I believe, and again this is the maths side of it (and I do know well what it costs to live here) you both don’t Have to work in a lot of cases. And that as TUM points out it’s a personal decision to work and it’s about having ABC material things which we have become accustomed to. My personal belief, and I don’t need to have kids to believe this, is that the kid loses out by having 2 working parents, especially if it’s some au pair coming in. I think, and I will do this, some career sacrifices have to be made for the sake of the kids sometimes. Anything else is just selfish. Ye may not like that, but I don’t really give a fuck. I believe in many cases it’s just parents racing to be the most successful at whatever and forgetting what’s important.
Then again maybe not everybody should have kids or have them till ready.
Obviously not directed at anyone in particular, just a general view.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but we’re talking about real people here, not primitive yokels living in their mud huts in West Cark.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 1066906, member: 1”]It’s a complete over-simplification to describe it as a lifestyle choice.
There’s an awful lot of misty eyed nostalgia when talking about the 80s. It’s not just about foreign holidays, it’s about having money to feed families properly, live in better conditions, have central heating on a bit more frequently, let children play sports etc.
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would have thought quality Food was much better and more affordable in the 80’s ?..I would have thought there’s a lot more chemicals in food now than back then?..as for better conditions, the houses were of much better quality back then too…nowadays your merely one solid punch away from being in your neighbours house…kids could spend the day out on the green from morning til night …as for playing sport there was summer camps for kids that cost next to nothing , teachers could drive kids to a match and home again after, that can’t happen now… I don’t think that’s misty eyed , I think people are just more about what’s in it for them and fuck everyone else nowadays …
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 1066906, member: 1”]It’s a complete over-simplification to describe it as a lifestyle choice.
And nobody has yet commented on the fact that it’s perfectly reasonable to want to work and it’s also perfectly reasonable for both parents and children to spend some time apart from one another. The concept of a career doesn’t have to mean ridiculous hours and imbalanced priorities. But automatically expecting one person in a marriage to surrender their ambitions and resign from the workplace is unfair and unrealistic. I’d expect to have over half my life to live - I’m not just stopping that because I have a child. We’d get some fucked up, cossetted children if every parent made every decision based solely on spending more time at home.[/QUOTE]
surely that is exactly what you said it wasn’t - a lifestyle choice ???..
good to see you learned from it pal…don’t worry, there’ll be others …
[QUOTE=“scumpot, post: 1066953, member: 182”]would have thought quality Food was much better and more affordable in the 80’s ?..I would have thought there’s a lot more chemicals in food now than back then?..as for better conditions, the houses were of much better quality back then too…nowadays your merely one solid punch away from being in your neighbours house…kids could spend the day out on the green from morning til night …as for playing sport there was summer camps for kids that cost next to nothing , teachers could drive kids to a match and home again after, that can’t happen now… I don’t think that’s misty eyed , I think people are just more about what’s in it for them and fuck everyone else nowadays …
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That’s certainly misty eyed nostaligia. I remember growing up and we had fuck all, the father had a fairly decent job but was being taxed to the hilt on it. Frozen burgers, fish fingers, sausages etc would be the normal dinner and you can be sure what was put into them then was far worse than what is being put into them today. It wasn’t until the economy picked up in the 90’s that things got better.
I’m a very knowledgeable and informed man.
did you ever eat or hear of scoutch?
left overs of potatoes and bits of yesterday’s dinner fried up in a pan
[QUOTE=“mickee321, post: 1066963, member: 367”]did you ever eat or hear of scoutch?
left overs of potatoes and bits of yesterday’s dinner fried up in a pan[/QUOTE]
In Wexford they sell it and call it a rissole
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You always got the staple bacon and cabbage, stew etc. etc but fish fingers, burgers and those finders crispy pancakes were unreal as a kid and every house had them. God fucking knows what was in them- It’s a surprise we’re alive at all.
You roaster!
did you walk to school in your bare feet aswell?.. for fuck sake frozen burgers, fish fingers, sausages are hardly a whole lot cheaper to make than a shepherds pie and the like that would last a few days…the latter just takes more effort…
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You always got the staple bacon and cabbage, stew etc. etc but fish fingers, burgers and those finders crispy pancakes were unreal as a kid and every house had them. God fucking knows what was in them- It’s a surprise we’re alive at all.[/QUOTE]
also known as - food kids like to eat
I’m going to make some Angel’s Delight tonight
After eating cottage pie for 32 days straight you’d ate anything… except @Bisto , he’d want another round of cottage pie.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1066972, member: 2272”]also known as - food kids like to eat
I’m going to make some Angel’s Delight tonight[/QUOTE]
that’s exactly it…big difference between the food that shut the kids up for a while and the food that was actually good for them…the difference in price was not as big as it is today…
I don’t think there can be any argument that the basic fruit and vegetable were a lot cheaper back in the 80’s…
As Dylan Moran said - you know you’ve failed as a parent when your child asks “Dad, is this organic?”
don’t remember being asked what I wanted pal…whatever was put on the table, you ate and you stayed till it was all finished …
[QUOTE=“ChocolateMice, post: 1066965, member: 168”]+ 1
You always got the staple bacon and cabbage, stew etc. etc but fish fingers, burgers and those finders crispy pancakes were unreal as a kid and every house had them. God fucking knows what was in them- It’s a surprise we’re alive at all.[/QUOTE]
toasted waffles, minestrone soup and sliced pan …
i also had marmalade sandwiches in the 80’s at school
stew, bacon/cabbage were normal… mince, etc
I remember my Oul lady frying burgers one night which were a big treat for us at the time. They were utterly disgusting, but she forced us to eat most of them til she realised she had left on the plastic wrap when she fried them.