Maybe he excluded himself for obvious reasons
TV3 this morning said that the GAA central council has offered to intervene and CCB have overwhelmingly accepted the offer. They say it’s up to the players now.
Are they full of shit? I can’t find a story anywhere online.
i see tony considine in the examiner taking the side of the players and asking gerald to step down.
This man is in no position to be spouting shit on conflict resolution, didn’t he make a cunt of the clare team when he was in charge of them and fell out with everyone down there, the county board,their most experienced player and selectors the whole lot.
was he sacked for a finish?
he backbones his article on his relationship with the ‘Great’ players like the ogs and the twins.
of course his relationship with them is as a journalist, not a manager or selector.
Considine is basically Diarmuid O Flynn without the silly facial hair.
Talking through your hole art. I spoke to our rep this morning and he said it was a farce. Its ridiculous to think that those delegates would vote on something that could render them useless, they would have to bring what their club actually thinks to the bvoard then, not what they thought themselves.
It’s a joke, joke, joke.
The fucking point is lads, most clubs didn’t get the Cloyne motion. So they were still relying on the opinion of the delegate.
Shur I fucking heard of the motion?!!
[quote=“caoimhaoin”]Talking through your hole art. I spoke to our rep this morning and he said it was a farce. Its ridiculous to think that those delegates would vote on something that could render them useless, they would have to bring what their club actually thinks to the bvoard then, not what they thought themselves.
It’s a joke, joke, joke.[/quote]
I honestly can’t understand this. In Limerick motions are discussed at club level and then the view of the club is represented at board level by the delegate.
Why doesn’t this happen in Cork?
Because it was on the paper that they were doing it. Our club got the letter on monday, and it was the secretary that got it, not the chairman. Some clubs haven’t got them apparently. How can it be discussed?
They said it was out of order, and unworkable, why the fuck did they take a vote if it was out of order. Farcical stuff.
Of course its workable, they just didn’t want it to work.
I think its become fairly obvious to every GAA person around the country how the CCB is run. If you think that is the way to run it then fair enough, but i wouldn’t have though many fair minded people would think that way.
I cant understand why a Club would vote in a delegate who wont carry out their wishes. Are these club members idiots?
[quote=“caoimhaoin”]Because it was on the paper that they were doing it. Our club got the letter on monday, and it was the secretary that got it, not the chairman. Some clubs haven’t got them apparently. How can it be discussed?
They said it was out of order, and unworkable, why the fuck did they take a vote if it was out of order. Farcical stuff.
Of course its workable, they just didn’t want it to work.
I think its become fairly obvious to every GAA person around the country how the CCB is run. If you think that is the way to run it then fair enough, but i wouldn’t have though many fair minded people would think that way.[/quote]
It was known over a week ago that Cloyne were bringing forward a motion. On this hugely important issue it was the right of every Club member to get this brought to a meeting. If there was no motion received, they could surely have contacted Cloyne GAA. I’m sure the players would have happily facilitated anyone who wanted to get this motion, to get it.
Cork GAA Clubs had over a week to get, and debate this motion. There’s no excuse.
[quote=“caoimhaoin”]Because it was on the paper that they were doing it. Our club got the letter on monday, and it was the secretary that got it, not the chairman. Some clubs haven’t got them apparently. How can it be discussed?
They said it was out of order, and unworkable, why the fuck did they take a vote if it was out of order. Farcical stuff.
Of course its workable, they just didn’t want it to work.
I think its become fairly obvious to every GAA person around the country how the CCB is run. If you think that is the way to run it then fair enough, but i wouldn’t have though many fair minded people would think that way.[/quote]
To me it looks like it’s a problem with the way the clubs are run instead of the CCB?
the only logical explanation could be that the vast majority of clubs in Cork voted in delegates who are dictators and act in the interest of themselves only, in turn you could say the vast majority of clubs in Cork are run by dictators.
and then finally, that its all Franks fault.
my solution would be to leave the running of the association down there to donal, sombrero cyril and the 500 who turn up to march the day of the first league match
[quote=“The Runt”]I honestly can’t understand this. In Limerick motions are discussed at club level and then the view of the club is represented at board level by the delegate.
Why doesn’t this happen in Cork?[/quote]
- Your club puts in a motion
- Its brought up at the next CB meeting
- The Excecutive have however long to mull over it, the delegates have 15 mins at best.
- If the motion suits the CB they will get it voted through that night.
- If they don’t they will send it back with some technicality saying it was out of order.
MBB - The club peope are far from odiots, but ther hands are tied. We have a very good delegate. But he never really gets to bring anything back to the club, because its always decided on the night, or ruled out of order.
I find the defending of the CCB amazing from people outside of Cork, who have previously made comment about the way FM an his cronies have gotten Cork outof trouble before. Do you believe the iron fist is only for Corke Park. Get off the stage lads.
[quote=“caoimhaoin”]1. Your club puts in a motion
2. Its brought up at the next CB meeting
3. The Excecutive have however long to mull over it, the delegates have 15 mins at best.
4. If the motion suits the CB they will get it voted through that night.
5. If they don’t they will send it back with some technicality saying it was out of order.
MBB - The club peope are far from odiots, but ther hands are tied. We have a very good delegate. But he never really gets to bring anything back to the club, because its always decided on the night, or ruled out of order.
I find the defending of the CCB amazing from people outside of Cork, who have previously made comment about the way FM an his cronies have gotten Cork outof trouble before. Do you believe the iron fist is only for Corke Park. Get off the stage lads.[/quote]
I’d say it’s less defending the CCB and more amazement with the ineptitude of Cork GAA community to tackle the problems with the CCB. If Cloyne and others recognised there was a problem with motions being discussed in the clubs before being voted on, you’d think they would;
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ensure it was publicised well in advance of last night, not just a few days beforehand
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they’d make a more concerted effort to get this motion to every club in the county
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have a number of delegates ready at the meeting to speak on behalf of the motion
I think the players are right and want to change things for the better but they royally screwed up by taking the fight to the media and Gerald McCarthy instead of trying to mobilise the clubs to change the power structure in Cork
so if I’m to read it right Caoimhaoin, clubs can put in a motion to the county board at any time during the year? This in itself is farcical if that is the way it is. Trying to implement rule changes half way during seasons etc. In wexford, there is an annual convention, where motions are distributed to clubs prior to it and then voted on. And if anything needs voting on during the year, then our democratically elected club delegate will vote in the manner as to which the club sees fit.
If this isnt happening in Cork, then it is as much the club and club members fault if they are not happy with their delegate. Club AGM’s sort out who represents your club, so if the players/club memebers want someone else, then its easily changed.
Also, there is a simple way for clubs now to communicate with each other due to the new GAA email service. Its pretty much clubs@*county*.gaa.ie. If Cloyne couldnt get their proposal issued to all the clubs then that is their stupidity. Some clubs in Wexford had sent around their motions and asked for support for them before conventions. Its not hard to do. As MBB said, everyone in the bloody country knew about this vote, if clubs are trying to say they never got Cloynes proposal then that is ridiculous.
The motion put forward last night obviously didnt suit the county board, and I personally can see a lot of flaws in its wording and why it shouldnt have reached the floor. If this was the case, then as you say happens, the county board would have thrown it out.
But, they let the club voted delegates vote on it regardless, and it still was voted down. There has to come a time when people realise that county boards are pretty much the same everywhere.
If every vote that happens in a county board meeting has to go back to a club, for a vote there, and then be brought into the next meeting to have the vote there, it would take 2 months for things to get sorted, rather than be sorted on the night.
Its the clubs, and their members responsibility to make sure their delegate will act on the clubs greater good. If every club were to have meetings on each and every item that will come up at monthly meetings, nothing would ever get sorted.
Granted, there could be better ways of dealing with it. Maybe that any proposals for forthcoming meetings have to be with the CCB 4 days before the meeting, and then the clubs must be all notified 3 days beforehand, and that no other proposals can be brought forward at the meeting.
to me though, the vote last night seemed to be a vote on the players, rather than the actual motion itself. Dont know if you’d agree with me on that, but it just seems that way to me.
Wrongs on both sides.
[quote=“The Runt”]I honestly can’t understand this. In Limerick motions are discussed at club level and then the view of the club is represented at board level by the delegate.
Why doesn’t this happen in Cork?[/quote]
Had a good chat with a guy here in work who is well up on the running of a GAA club.
Basically the CCB is a farce. For a start, if, and it’s a big if, if a motion gets to the floor of the county board, you won’t know for sure if it’ll be a public vote or a private vote. An example would be last nights vote was public coz the CB want to see which way each club is voting. But back when the vote to put in a new trainer after Ger Mac’s 2 year stint was over was all private, went to a couple of votes with delegates thinking “ok we’ll have the likes of Ger Cunningham or Pat Morrissey to choose from” and on the third vote the CB turned around and said “well actually, Ger Mac is your only choice, all in favour say I” kinda job. Joke!
The players are looking for the right thing, strip down the county board, get rid of Frank and have a democratic process. But in Cork you have a dictatorship in Frank Murphy and be damned if you go up against him. But, IMO, it is not up to the players to go out on strike. You can’t have a group of players dictating who is the trainer. Yes the process is rotten but they are going about it in a way that they see fit, but the wrong way.
If anyone from Cork can fill me/us in if I’m wrong but that’s the way it was explained to me.
even the players biggest critics will agree the ccb are rotten, but letting the players win this one would be catastrophic for the gaa as an association.
im not saying i have the solution but if donal gets frank and gerald removed, the gaa is fucked.
a corrupt county board, while wrong, is the lesser of two evils her and the gaa will push on as it is, but the tail wagging the dog will spell the beginning of the end
[quote=“HBV*”]even the players biggest critics will agree the ccb are rotten, but letting the players win this one would be catastrophic for the gaa as an association.
im not saying i have the solution but if donal gets frank and gerald removed, the gaa is fucked.
a corrupt county board, while wrong, is the lesser of two evils her and the gaa will push on as it is, but the tail wagging the dog will spell the beginning of the end[/quote]
I would be of the very same opinion. It is obvious from listening to Caoimhaoin and Locke that there are serious problems with the administration off the GAA in Cork. But change has to come from the clubs, not a bunch of players. If the players had withdrawn their services on the foot of a motion from a club then things would be different, as the clubs would be driving the dispute.
The GAA is built on the club. Everything must begin at club level if it is to get the support of the wider GAA community.
[quote=“The Runt”]I would be of the very same opinion. It is obvious from listening to Caoimhaoin and Locke that there are serious problems with the administration off the GAA in Cork. But change has to come from the clubs, not a bunch of players. If the players had withdrawn their services on the foot of a motion from a club then things would be different, as the clubs would be driving the dispute.
The GAA is built on the club. Everything must begin at club level if it is to get the support of the wider GAA community.[/quote]
in this scenario the players would get widespread support i would suspect.