Humphries on the Cork saga

[quote=“Georgy Comerford”]I’d say it’s less defending the CCB and more amazement with the ineptitude of Cork GAA community to tackle the problems with the CCB. If Cloyne and others recognised there was a problem with motions being discussed in the clubs before being voted on, you’d think they would;

  1. ensure it was publicised well in advance of last night, not just a few days beforehand

  2. they’d make a more concerted effort to get this motion to every club in the county

  3. have a number of delegates ready at the meeting to speak on behalf of the motion

I think the players are right and want to change things for the better but they royally screwed up by taking the fight to the media and Gerald McCarthy instead of trying to mobilise the clubs to change the power structure in Cork[/quote]

I agree with you on everything there, they made a balls of it. I believe they were trying to rush it through due to it been critical time of the year now.

But it has put an idea in peoples head, so maybe this one failed, but i expect a few more. I’ll personally be proposing a motion next week at our club. I’m going to put a bit of thought into it, any suggestions would be appreciated. I’ll give full credit to TFK if my solution goes some way to sorting the mess.

[quote=“Locke”]Had a good chat with a guy here in work who is well up on the running of a GAA club.

Basically the CCB is a farce. For a start, if, and it’s a big if, if a motion gets to the floor of the county board, you won’t know for sure if it’ll be a public vote or a private vote. An example would be last nights vote was public coz the CB want to see which way each club is voting. But back when the vote to put in a new trainer after Ger Mac’s 2 year stint was over was all private, went to a couple of votes with delegates thinking “ok we’ll have the likes of Ger Cunningham or Pat Morrissey to choose from” and on the third vote the CB turned around and said “well actually, Ger Mac is your only choice, all in favour say I” kinda job. Joke!

The players are looking for the right thing, strip down the county board, get rid of Frank and have a democratic process. But in Cork you have a dictatorship in Frank Murphy and be damned if you go up against him. But, IMO, it is not up to the players to go out on strike. You can’t have a group of players dictating who is the trainer. Yes the process is rotten but they are going about it in a way that they see fit, but the wrong way.

If anyone from Cork can fill me/us in if I’m wrong but that’s the way it was explained to me.[/quote]

I would say your spot on. Pity people wouldn’t take that from a Cork person first though.You see the process wouldn’t be a problem if you had people with the interests of the club and county at heart, like they have in Tyrone and Killkenny. Funny how they are two of the most successful teams in recent modern times.

I’m sure your right Locke, but then again what is the right way to sort out the mess that makes up Cork GAA today? Players shouldn’t be allowed to go on strike because it sets a exceptionally dangerous precedent if successful but the options to change the situation seem practically non-existent by this stage.

GGA people in roscommon, louth ,limerick ,laois etc probably have the best interests of the club and county at heart as well so your point is tripe

Dont be so sure. There’s internal politics in every County and when things are going well, nothing is ever said. But dont believe that everyone in power in those county’s is liked, thats never the case. Harte was nearly being ran out last year at one point, and Cody wont last long either once the wins stop coming, he’s rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way. In the end a strong Chairman and Secretary is what gets a potentially great manager through tough times.

Exactly MBB. Corks problem is they think the county board is out for themselves and acting like dictators and the only ones at it. But its not at all like that. Ger Doyle in Wexford is pretty much acting like a dictator and doing things the way he wants without consulting and delegates or any sort of communication with even his own board. He has got rid of 2 managers now without any consultation with the board and after the Myler sacking, he was pulled up on it at the following co.board meeting. He did the whole sponsorship thing off his own back too, when there was alternatives.

And Cody has his share of detractors in Kilkenny too, a lot more than people would think, aas MBB points out as well. When Kilkenny fall on hard times (actually, if is a better word there!) some will take great glee in dropping Cody as quick as they can. Strange as it may sound, but its the same in many counties.

Naw your right Turenne, as I said, I can see the players point.

Heard something else that I forgot to put up here yesterday too. Ger Mc went on about how much the 2008 squad want to keep in the limelight in order to fuel there appeal to open up supermarkets and the like… Well Ger is a trophy maker and guess who is the only person who gets to do all new trophies and medals etc in the county of Cork for all GAA competitions? You guessed it, the bould Ger Mc. I even asked the question did it go out to tender, the guy telling me just laughed back at me; not a chance!!

The plot thickens…

[quote=“Locke”]Naw your right Turenne, as I said, I can see the players point.

Heard something else that I forgot to put up here yesterday too. Ger Mc went on about how much the 2008 squad want to keep in the limelight in order to fuel there appeal to open up supermarkets and the like… Well Ger is a trophy maker and guess who is the only person who gets to do all new trophies and medals etc in the county of Cork for all GAA competitions? You guessed it, the bould Ger Mc. I even asked the question did it go out to tender, the guy telling me just laughed back at me; not a chance!!

The plot thickens…[/quote]

I thought that was a well known fact Locke? It’s been mentioned a few times on here previously.

[quote=“Locke”]Naw your right Turenne, as I said, I can see the players point.

Heard something else that I forgot to put up here yesterday too. Ger Mc went on about how much the 2008 squad want to keep in the limelight in order to fuel there appeal to open up supermarkets and the like… Well Ger is a trophy maker and guess who is the only person who gets to do all new trophies and medals etc in the county of Cork for all GAA competitions? You guessed it, the bould Ger Mc. I even asked the question did it go out to tender, the guy telling me just laughed back at me; not a chance!!

The plot thickens…[/quote]

I hinted at this point the other day, it is common perception that GMC is in the CB pocket due to his business. To the players credit they did not attack this point, they would have been entitled to when GMC had the pop at SOG etc about their commercial activities

[quote=“Locke”]Naw your right Turenne, as I said, I can see the players point.

Heard something else that I forgot to put up here yesterday too. Ger Mc went on about how much the 2008 squad want to keep in the limelight in order to fuel there appeal to open up supermarkets and the like… Well Ger is a trophy maker and guess who is the only person who gets to do all new trophies and medals etc in the county of Cork for all GAA competitions? You guessed it, the bould Ger Mc. I even asked the question did it go out to tender, the guy telling me just laughed back at me; not a chance!!

The plot thickens…[/quote]

Is there anything wrong with the CCB wanting to throw some work the way of their 2nd highest decorated performer? Should they ignore one of their own legends, after all he gave the County? Fucking hell Locke, show some respect for a man who spilt blood for the jersey.

[quote=“north county corncrake”]GGA people in roscommon, louth ,limerick ,laois etc probably have the best interests of the club and county at heart as well so your point is tripe

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Spot on NCC

I think you meant Leitrim here.

Sure I’m backing him in this argument!!!

Just saying that no tender process was done. These are days of open and transparency in acts of business. From what I can see from the Golden Pages, there are over a dozen other trophy makers in the Cork area, were they brought in on the tender process? Answer is no.

[quote=“Locke”]Sure I’m backing him in this argument!!!

Just saying that no tender process was done. These are days of open and transparency in acts of business. From what I can see from the Golden Pages, there are over a dozen other trophy makers in the Cork area, were they brought in on the tender process? Answer is no.[/quote]

Answer may be no, but look after your own first. I’d sasy every county in the Country does this, I know Laois do.

[quote=“Gman”]Exactly MBB. Corks problem is they think the county board is out for themselves and acting like dictators and the only ones at it. But its not at all like that. Ger Doyle in Wexford is pretty much acting like a dictator and doing things the way he wants without consulting and delegates or any sort of communication with even his own board. He has got rid of 2 managers now without any consultation with the board and after the Myler sacking, he was pulled up on it at the following co.board meeting. He did the whole sponsorship thing off his own back too, when there was alternatives.

And Cody has his share of detractors in Kilkenny too, a lot more than people would think, aas MBB points out as well. When Kilkenny fall on hard times (actually, if is a better word there!) some will take great glee in dropping Cody as quick as they can. Strange as it may sound, but its the same in many counties.[/quote]

So basically ye are saying that there is more than Cork have the problems, yet ye consider are Cork club member idiots etc for not sorting it in a different way? What happens in all the other counties. Maybe the hurlers shaking thngs up is just what the GAA needs. Ye have all made good suggestions abuot what should have happened, but now its happened, so we have to deal with it.
The word in the clubs is not good, but the split in clubs seems very much generational from what i have seen and heard, never an easy debate. One thing i have noticed is the age profile of Chairmen and secretarys in Cork Citys big club has for the most part fallen dramatically, with players not long finished heavily involved now. That could help things.

I don’t think everything is rosy in the garden with everyone, but, there is open dialog. There was calls for Harte to go, but some important people were listened too and he stayed. They made the right decision, so (no offence mbb) i think that point is pretty invalid. KK stayed the course with Cody, knowing that the development squads would come good.

I think everyone here agrees that everything just isn’t black and white.

NCC - I’d nearly pay for you to get reading lessons so i wouldn’t have to waste my time reading your retarded posts commenting about something you think you see, rather than what i write.

To spell it out, i was using an example, i wasn’t saying any other counties were lacking in anything. Jesus you a fool.

the point was kev, that there are crackpots in every association and CB, you deal with them, you move on. If they need to be gotten out, you do it the same was as every other county does, through the Clubs.

As for the GAA needing the Cork hurlers doing this, I would wholeheartedly disagree with you. They’re making a show of the GAA. IF there is a problem, Cork ahs a problem, not the GAA

Exactly kev, its not up to the players to start making the demands, it should be down to the clubs, and up to the club delegates to make their feelings known. Granted, things arent exactly rosy in Wexford, and a lot wouldnt like Ger Doyle especially after making hte players his scapegoats, but at least the club delegates took him up on his actions:

Wexford’s search for their new hurling manager has got under way but not without a huge fall-out in the wake of the sacking of John Meyler.

Tuesday night’s meeting of the county board was utter chaos as club delegates vented their anger with county chairman Ger Doyle, at the manner of John Meyler’s dismissal and the fact that ‘player power’ is now prevelant in decision making.

County chairman Ger Doyle outlined the meeting that took place with the four-player delegation, comprised of ‘Doc’ O’Connor, Diarmuid Lyng, Eoin Quigley and Rory Jacob, leading to his meeting with John Meyler in Dungarvan and the manager’s subsequent sacking.

But many delegates did not accept the manner in which Meyler and his backroom were treated.

Ballyhogue delegate Michael Foley who along with his committee, was sacked by Doyle earlier this year, after 13 years as fixtures chairman, took the county chairman to task at his failure to follow proper procedure.

He stated: 'The Chairman should have called a meeting of the county management, while in turn then bring it before a full county board meeting to discuss the matter in its entirety.

'This you (county Chairman) failed to do. You were totally out of order.

'It’s not the first time. You did the same thing last year with Paul Bealin (sacked as football manager). You did not follow procedure on that occasion either and there were ructions at the following county board meeting.

‘Yet you went on and did the same this year. You were totally out of order.’

When the county chairman informed the meeting that only one player was not present at the player meeting, former great Tony Doran felt that was not true.

Doran commented: ‘I was told by a player he was not at the meeting. He did not know it was even on.’

Other delegates also felt that more players were not present at the player meeting.

Later the whole episode took another turn when Tony Dempsey, a former hurling manager, on behalf of the County Management Committee, proposed that thee outsiders, people from outside the county board, form the interview committee seeking a new manager along with the county chairman and county secretary.

Many delegates were clearly annoyed feeling it was another snub for the county board.

Delegates subsequently voted that the county chairman, county secretary (non-voting), along with club board delegates, Toss Ryan (St Anne’s) and Philip Howlin (Duffry Rovers) form the interview committee.

This committee is also entitled to add one outside member.

But the growing discontent in the county is going to make it all the more difficult to secure a Manager.

Tony Dempsey, who ruled himself out of the interview committee, is already tipped as a possible replacement for Meyler, with two stars of 1996, Liam Dunne and Tom Dempsey as selectors.

Another name that has been mentioned is Mount Sion clubman, Kevin Ryan, who manages Ger Doyle’s Oulart-the-Ballagh senior
side.

Both Liam Griffin and Martin Storey have ruled themselves out of therace.

Now the quartet of players who met with board officers have angrily refuted claims of the county chairman that they wished to remain anonymous, stating that nothing could be further from the truth.

Spokesman for the quartet, ‘Doc’ O’Connor has stressed that there was never a question of the players wishing to remain anonymous.

The St Anne’s clubman said: ‘We’re disappointed that the perception has been put out there’

[quote=“myboyblue”]the point was kev, that there are crackpots in every association and CB, you deal with them, you move on. If they need to be gotten out, you do it the same was as every other county does, through the Clubs.

As for the GAA needing the Cork hurlers doing this, I would wholeheartedly disagree with you. They’re making a show of the GAA. IF there is a problem, Cork ahs a problem, not the GAA[/quote]

I never thought the GAA needed Cork doing this, but ye are suggesting that everything myself and others have outlined is normal?!
I don’t believe that for a second, and while every county has its problems, we have had a full time County Secretary for 30 years, thats what the problem is. Its an amateur association, and in most other roles in the county board everyone has to move on after 3 years. I see the need for a full time secretary, but i believe he should be only an advisor to the executive.

Things have slightly improved in Cork with the leagues, but the championships are still all over the place.

I’ll give an example of Franks meddaling recently, could be longwinded, but it will give ye an idea. Say we are club A, there is a club B (Franks club in football) and club C. Club A finishes top of the league, having fullfilled all 12 games within the set out dates. Its a top 4 play-off after that. Team B is 3 points behind team C with 2 games left. Team C recieves 2 walkovers from clubs out of the running. Team B have one game called off because the opposition’s field was unplayable on the last weekend of the fixtures. The club who’s pitch was unplayable gave a walkover to team B. They lost their other game. The CCB (Frank) refuse to accept the walkover, and rule that neither team gets the points. This wasn’t sorted at a meeting, it was sorted out over the phone, no discussion! Team C got through to the semi final against ourselves.
The reason its imprtant is that there is relatively big money for the winners. Then the same Team C got our league semi final put off for 6 weeks (eventually played in December), all relating to their Minors having a run in the County Championahip. Absolutely ludicious. When the game was played (on a weekend when we had requested it not to be due to a players wedding) they used 1 Minor!? What the fuck, we expected half the team there such was the fuss about it. The words burnout were used, unbelievable. Anyway we beat them minus 10 of our starting team, and believe me we celebrated like it was championship due to this bullshit.
The secretary kept 30+ adult players waiting to finish their season because his club wanted to play one Minor in a fucking league semi final.
We are still awaiting the final, and i believe its being penciled in for March. The last time this happened we never got the medals, and had to hound them for the clubs money.

Thats just one small thing that happens all the fucking time.

Yet no effort has been made to oust this man in all this time? No concerted effort can be taken, what with all the Clubs down there, to oust this man?

I find it astonishing that he can be left in there, in a democratic organisation.