Humphries on the Cork saga

[quote=“artfoley”]kevo, how come if this is all down to 2001/2 that they didn’t come out fighting in 05 when they had 2 AIs and the support of everyine ? why now when their powers are very much on the wane?

also if they got rid of ger mac, frank etc do you seriously thnk they would win the AI in 09 ?[/quote]

No i don’t think we have a hope in hell of winning the All-Ireland. No matter who is available.
This is only connected to 2002 in the sense that agreements were made back then. This is a power battle, thats fair to say in some sense. But i believe the battle is different for some players to others, some its power, some its about being in the best possible position to perform. As i said so many times i don’t believe this to be black and white. The hurlers were naive, and made mistake after mistake from last year. For the most part their principals are bang on, but they didn’t realise how weak they were themselves with negotiating and all that lark.

In 2005 they had things the way they should be. They were well treated, but they also had a plan, and everybody respected that, last two years it has been all over the place. Anyone with any interest in sport at all who was at the Dublin match last year could tell you there was a distinct difference between what was going on with the manager and what was going on with the players. I was worried that evening that he had set Eoin Cadogan back 2 years. He was a great coach for the 80’s and 90’s, but people have to be humble, and you have to try and change with the times to a certain degree, without being controlled by fads.

Look i have given better training sessions than Ger Mac in the last year, as have hundreds of other coaches around the country. His treatment of players is the same as the way he was treated. People are different now, and older people have to adapt. Some do, some don’t. There has to be a balance between listening to the players, listening to the county board and going with your own convictions. I’d say he got lost somewhere along the way, especially from last October onwards.

[quote=“Turenne”]Anyway, Cork team for Sunday…

Cork - 2009 NFL V Meath: A Quirke; M Shields, N O Donovan, A Lynch; N O Leary, G Canty, J Miskella; A O Connor, P O Neill; C McCarthy, F Goold, P Kelly; D Goulding, M Cussen, D O Connor.

Bench: Kevin Murphy, Ger Spillane, Paul Kerrigan, Paul Flynn, Andrew O’Sullivan, Ray Carey, John Hayes, Kevin O’Sullivan.

Might have it tough against Meath. Don’t know much about O’ Donovan, I would have Shields pencilled in for full back, but I guess anyone’s better then that idiot Kanvanagh (no Duggan either mercifully). Strong center back line. Alan O’Connor given yet more opportuinities in midfield, seems to be a bizarre favourite of the selectors. Center forward line looks dodgy - Goold’s a lightwieght, McCarthy an often clueless workhorse and don’t know much about Kelly. If the full forward line gets the right ball though, they’ll destroy Meath. Hopefully Kerrigan and the two O’Sullivan’s get some decent game time, talented players.

Considering the amount of players to come back, its a pretty decent team. Hopefully, come Munster Championship time, the likes of Duggan, A O’Connor, Kavanagh and Spillane won’t be anywhere near the first 15.

Any chance this is on TV?[/quote]

Agree with you for most part there.
Very very disapointed with the selection, massive step backwards. Conor McCarthy will always cause College and club teams problems, but he has repeatedly failed in championship. I expected him to play though. Alan O’ Connor, where do i start? Paul O’ Flynn on the bench for that fella is crazy. Flynn was by far the best player on the pitch in the CIT vrs Cork match recently and i saw 30 mins of him yesterday against UCC in a challenge and he was the stand out player. Spillane won’t be there for championship in fairness. Kavanagh being away is a god send, i have thought for year Noelie O’ Donovan was getting a raw deal. he did have a few injuries as well and may have traveled a bit, but he is a more natural footballer than Kavanagh, although not as strong. He is quick as well. I have no problem with Shields in corner, and O’ Donovan doesn’t work out we have him. He wasn’t particulary good last year for the Bars, and was crap for Cork in the game he played. I presume he’ll be back in GAA mood by now. Won his first boxing match last week as well.

Gould is another guy who needs to start producing fairly soon, again a mighty man against club, colleges and U-21. Has huge potential, but his head has been fucked so many times by former management i’d say. Huge pressure from Macroom way on him as well, being Corrigans newphew and all that i feel has never helped him. Kelly is good, deserves his chance. Full forward line could be the championship line, although i like O’ Connor out at centre forward. Declan Hayes not being a sub is ludicious, with his brother making it not having kicked a ball all year. Declan is a very direct player who would love the Meath challenge. Not as classy as John, but having played against Carbery Rangers several times, he was always way more dangerous.

Ah well its early days yet, McCarthy is only playing because he put in a man of the match performance in their last practice match, I doubt Goold and A O’Connor will be anywhere other then the bench in the championship.

We’re still one midfielder short of having a team capable of winning an AI. All selection problems - O’Connor and Spillane for example - stem from the midfield dilemma.

[quote=“Turenne”]Ah well its early days yet, McCarthy is only playing because he put in a man of the match performance in their last practice match, I doubt Goold and A O’Connor will be anywhere other then the bench in the championship.

We’re still one midfielder short of having a team capable of winning an AI. All selection problems - O’Connor and Spillane for example - stem from the midfield dilemma.[/quote]

Bit early yet, and he’d have to be consistantly good in the league, but the best midfield partnership is Nick Murphy and Paul O’ Flynn. Otherwise i would throw Canty in there. You still don’t have to play Spillane with Canty midfield, there are plaenty backs, and i think Lynch is in trouble this year in the corner, but could get away with Centre.

for the love and honour of fuck!

http://www.loveyourcounty.com/

[quote=“The Puke”]for the love and honour of fuck!

http://www.loveyourcounty.com/[/quote]

and strangely it was the langers who pulled the piss out of mullane after his I love wahhhderfud interview

O Grady in the Examiner today. Now i realise he knows the players well and is probably friends with some or most of them, but he is right about our secretary.

Murphy must talk Frankly to Cork public

THE 2008 players press conference was significant for two reasons because the Cork public may want an explanation from Gerald McCarthy as to why he continued as manager having told a player, Niall McCarthy, that he wouldnt unless he was wanted by the players and also because many of the players, experienced and inexperienced, spoke, with all available for media questions.

They have put their faith in the public and the clubs and have also given every panellist an out they can go back playing or retire if support isnt forthcoming.

Thats very honourable and puts to bed the idea that some panellists are influencing others.

By contrast, why was this weeks county board meeting held in camera, and who makes this decision?

The reasoning behind it wasnt explained, and it gives the impression of having something to hide or fear.

More openness and clarity, not less, is needed around current issues. It wouldnt have harmed the boards officership to explain to the public and ordinary club members why this had to happen, as those ordinary club members and supporters need to hear and see all board business being done openly, properly, honestly and for the right reasons.

I wrote last week that this is a crisis, and it is. George W Bush lost his authority when he failed to visit New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. As their leader he failed to engage with his people when their need was greatest.

Frank Murphy is the de facto leader of Cork county GAA and has been for over 30 years, yet we have had no explanations or interviews from him on this issue.

He should explain to the supporters why certain decisions have been made. I know he answered questions at the county board convention in December but he needs to go further.

Under the circumstances he should have come out far earlier to explain what had been done regarding Gerald McCarthys reappointment.

As this crisis developed, the manager selection panel should have explained why they picked Gerald and why they felt he was the best man in their view, rather than repeating the mantra, we did things democratically.

Then people would be clear in their minds as to why that candidate was appointed unanimously and why no-one else was considered.

If players wouldnt play for him subsequently at least the reason for picking him would be clear and would dispel doubts (which still persist) that other personal agendas were at work.

Even if the board said we feel we can work with him compared to others, that would be a legitimate reason. Thats more important than it looks its no good having the greatest coach if hes an impossible person that nobody can work with.

Regarding the GAA offer to get involved, the first thing that struck me was that Central Council had initially refused to get involved, and you can understand why.

Then suddenly a source, as yet unnamed, materialises with an offer to help resolve the matter, but no great details were forthcoming from the county board meeting last Tuesday about that offer.

If the board were moving to make things more open and transparent, delegates should have been told who exactly contacted the board with that offer.

Also, the board was quick to point out that Geralds position wasnt up for discussion and whoever comes down from Croke Park would talk to the 08 players only, while the county board would talk to Gerald.

This makes no sense. If proper mediation is involved the board and manager are one side, the authority involved, and the 2008 panel are the other. Otherwise its a farce. Incidentally, the mediation organised by Derry Gowen was always doomed to fail, because the suggestion was that a vote was going to be four-two no matter what: two executive and two management versus two players.

You couldnt expect people to go into proper mediation talks on that score, or where there are preconditions, and its wrong to cast the players as villains because of their refusal to engage in talks of this kind.

The board can argue that they have done things by the book and made a democratic decision, but the big question maybe for all county boards relates to the next stratum of the GAA hierarchy.

Who appraises the work of county boards and full-time secretaries (more of who are to come on stream in the near future)? Who determines whether procedures are followed properly or that officers do not exceed their authority? Is it the Munster Council? Or does Croke Park function like central government, sending in someone to administer a local authority which cant agree a budget or where disputes on procedure arises? Either way, this dispute needs to be resolved. Cork have no academies of excellence to fall back on if the top players are unavailable.

One administrator central to this dispute was fond of saying Cork hurlers were like mushrooms, springing up over night. This theory will now be sorely tested. Unfortunately, Cork do not have the mushrooms at present, but for the second year running we have plenty of manure.

  • Note: contrary to reports published yesterday, the march in support of the 2008 Cork hurling squad takes place on Saturday, February 7, with supporters asked to gather in Emmet Place before 3pm.

[quote=“The Puke”]for the love and honour of fuck!

http://www.loveyourcounty.com/[/quote]

typical of the hyperbolts & self delusion that stick hurling fans deal in

flush that point out a bit

flush it out? huh?

Typo:p as well you know…Flesh out that point there please

you do know the vote is over don’t ya? and that flushing toilets have been invented

The amount of time NCC wastes on spouting shit about the GAA is unbelievable. When do you get the time to play and train with your local soccer club, follow SR etc?

Kieran Shannon up to his old tricks again today. Introduces the piece as an analysis of both sides values and standards and then proceeds to stick the knife into the CCB and Gerald again while the players as usual are the innocent victims. The guy has turned into a total fraud, he needs to realise that his relationship with the former Cork hurlers has completely destroyed his reputation as a sports journo. The Trib need to cut this in the bud quickly.

I wont post it up its shit but he came out with these two beauts. Its embarrassing.

  1. after Cloyne were beaten by Erins Own in the 2006 Co Final, and as Corcoran went to console Cusack, ‘a prominent Co Board official temporarily forgot himself and was visibly seen shaking his fist in delight…he would have known that Corcoran would most likely forsake the Cork captaincy and retire and that now that captain would not be a certain Donal Og Cusack’.

Kieran obviously knew by the way this mysterious official was shaking his fist what exactly was going through his mind!

  1. In Jan 2007, the team were on a foreign holiday and read an interview Gerald had given back home. ’ but when Gerald confessed to not being a fan of “their handpassing” game, some players wondered what all this “their” talk was about.

[quote=“HBV*”]Kieran Shannon up to his old tricks again today. Introduces the piece as an analysis of both sides values and standards and then proceeds to stick the knife into the CCB and Gerald again while the players as usual are the innocent victims. The guy has turned into a total fraud, he needs to realise that his relationship with the former Cork hurlers has completely destroyed his reputation as a sports journo. The Trib need to cut this in the bud quickly.

I wont post it up its shit but he came out with these two beauts. Its embarrassing.

  1. after Cloyne were beaten by Erins Own in the 2006 Co Final, and as Corcoran went to console Cusack, ‘a prominent Co Board official temporarily forgot himself and was visibly seen shaking his fist in delight…he would have known that Corcoran would most likely forsake the Cork captaincy and retire and that now that captain would not be a certain Donal Og Cusack’.

Kieran obviously knew by the way this mysterious official was shaking his fist what exactly was going through his mind!

  1. In Jan 2007, the team were on a foreign holiday and read an interview Gerald had given back home. ’ but when Gerald confessed to not being a fan of “their handpassing” game, some players wondered what all this “their” talk was about.[/quote]

Not the greatest article ever, but if you were you to take them at their word, wouldn’t you think that this is wrong. People at the top in Cork wanted Cork to change their game to the old style. Why? Because it was of no more use? It is because it went against what they believed. Its their “idea” against the other guys “idea”. Ger Mac was a pawn, simple as. He was the old guard, and the CB liked that. Winning All-Irelands isn’t as important to FM as having his ideals being to the forefront.
All that was wrong is the players made an absolute balls of their approach.

[quote=“caoimhaoin”]Not the greatest article ever, but if you were you to take them at their word, wouldn’t you think that this is wrong. People at the top in Cork wanted Cork to change their game to the old style. Why? Because it was of no more use? It is because it went against what they believed. Its their “idea” against the other guys “idea”. Ger Mac was a pawn, simple as. He was the old guard, and the CB liked that. Winning All-Irelands isn’t as important to FM as having his ideals being to the forefront.
All that was wrong is the players made an absolute balls of their approach.[/quote]

In fairness Kev, “Their” handpassing game was shown up when Kilkenny handed them their arses on a plate in the 2006 final.

i think it was a pretty foolish example for shannon to highlight, the last two years have shown the folly of this handpass messing, kilkenny have blown it away and cusacks short puckouts became a liability in every game they played.
if anything it shows how shrewd Ger Mac is as a coach to see this way back in 2006 before it was found out

These fuckwanks still training away on their own. Seanie McGrath helping out.

Sean Og Taking up Rugby?

[quote=“Pikeman”]http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj47/doylegate/cark.jpg

These fuckwanks still training away on their own. Seanie McGrath helping out.[/quote]

What are they training for you’d wonder?