Anyone not having Nash in there is on drugs.
[quote=âSpecial Olympiakos, post: 839031, member: 366â]Hurler of the year- Tony Kelly by a distance, Harnedy or Horgan 2nd.
YHOTY- David McInerney if they decide Kelly canât win both. I donât get the Podge Collins hype, deserves an all star but heâs vastly overrated.[/quote]
In 2003 JJ Delaney was still U-21 and was HOTY but not YHOTY.
Is there a rule that says you canât win both?
Nah he wasnât. He played really really well in the Tipp game, was decent against Cork but most if his hurling was against 5 man forward line an he was free a lot.
People live him cos heâs old school, but he is getting vastly over rated. O Neill âshouldâ have been sent off is pretty irrelevant.
[quote=âcluaindiuic, post: 839041, member: 258â]In 2003 JJ Delaney was still U-21 and was HOTY but not YHOTY.
Is there a rule that says you canât win both?[/quote]
Not a rule I think, just not done.
[quote=âcluaindiuic, post: 839041, member: 258â]In 2003 JJ Delaney was still U-21 and was HOTY but not YHOTY.
Is there a rule that says you canât win both?[/quote]
Iâd say theyâd just be happier to spread it around.
This is fucking futile. Iâm sick of it⌠going around and around in circles.
Can we just agree on the 6/7 who are guaranteed first and then discuss the rest on a position by position basis?
Nash, Bugler, Rushe, Kelly, Galvin, Harnedy, Collins and Horgan are nailed on.
So letâs start with the backs- Paul Murphy, McInerney, Cahill, McCarthy and OâNeil are the contenders-
Cahill, is more of a token gesture I think we all agree so itâs 3 from 4- While I think Murphy was outstanding against Tipp my natural bias is going to lead me to McCarthy- He was excellent against Tipp and Cork and did nothing wrong against Clare.
McInereny - McCarthy- OâNeil.
Please continue.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 839036, member: 273â]Itâs gas fellas leaving Shane O Neill out for one bad day and putting McInerney in despite being cleaned out the last day. If you compare the rest if their games Shane O Neill was streets ahead.
Both were better than McCarthy.[/quote]
What? McInerney completely snuffed out Luke OâFarrell both days. He moved onto Horgan for most of the second half in the replay and held him too after OâFarrell was hooked. He had two excellent finals and wasnât cleaned out at all - he actually excelled.
Thatâs a @Watchyourtoes type post in terms of pinning the number 3 because goals were conceded in the first game. He could have made a move to Lehane earlier for the first one perhaps but thatâs about it and it was similar to OâNeill being caught with Donnellan coming through the centre for the first goal in the replay. The other goals were a free after Dillon pulled Harnedy down and Croninâs finish after Moylan broke onto a loose ball. None of it constitutes McInerney being cleaned out.
No itâs not, it has everything to do with the award. Are OâNeillâs dirty strokes what we hold up as the paragon of full back play? Should he be rewarded for getting away with them with an All Star? No. And OâNeill got cleaned out by his direct marker worse than has been seen in years in the replay. Sorry Kev, youâre bias here is clouding your judgement. McCarthy played fewer games unfortunately, but was as good or better in two than OâNeill was at his best this year, and solid in the third. Endo story.
Dirty strokes are what good full back play is all about.
[quote=âBandage, post: 839049, member: 9â]What? McInerney completely snuffed out Luke OâFarrell both days. He moved onto Horgan for most of the second half in the replay and held him too after OâFarrell was hooked. He had two excellent finals and wasnât cleaned out at all - he actually excelled.
Thatâs a @Watchyourtoes type post in terms of pinning the number 3 because goals were conceded in the first game. He could have made a move to Lehane earlier for the first one perhaps but thatâs about it and it was similar to OâNeill being caught with Donnellan coming through the centre for the first goal in the replay. The other goals were a free after Dillon pulled Harnedy down and Croninâs finish after Moylan broke onto a loose ball. None of it constitutes McInerney being cleaned out.[/quote]
OâNeill should get the full back award ahead of McInerney because he wasnât at fault for goals Cork conceded (despite appearances to the contrary) and so was better than McInerney who was at fault for goals Clare conceded (despite your clear evidence to the contrary). If you donât understand this you just donât understand the game @Bandage.
Anybody who knows anything about defending knows that McInerney has just had two excellent matches, to go with the great games he had up to the AI.
The guy should be a stone cold cert on the All Star team. The guy is a very intelligent player and hard as nails to boot.
Regarding Nash, leaving aside his scoring, his goal keeping wasnât particularly better than the other two leading contenders and in the drawn match, he was part of a puck out strategy that was destroyed. Do you place a lot of value on his free taking? I do, but have a nagging feeling about rewarding his approach to 21s. On balance, he should get the all star.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 838993, member: 273â]Agree with much of that but until the competition has everybody playing the same amount of games till semi final stage then the players who play more games will always be at an advantage. And thatâs probably right, if a guy plays well 3/5 times he is better placed than someone who played well 3/4 times as heâs more in the judges mind.
The system in Aussie Rules is much better, coaches and refs vote after the game. But they have a shit load of games[/quote]
Much like the Gaelic football season only begins on the August Bank Holiday weekend, the AFL season only begins on the first Friday in September.
[quote=âBandage, post: 839049, member: 9â]What? McInerney completely snuffed out Luke OâFarrell both days. He moved onto Horgan for most of the second half in the replay and held him too after OâFarrell was hooked. He had two excellent finals and wasnât cleaned out at all - he actually excelled.
Thatâs a @Watchyourtoes type post in terms of pinning the number 3 because goals were conceded in the first game. He could have made a move to Lehane earlier for the first one perhaps but thatâs about it and it was similar to OâNeill being caught with Donnellan coming through the centre for the first goal in the replay. The other goals were a free after Dillon pulled Harnedy down and Croninâs finish after Moylan broke onto a loose ball. None of it constitutes McInerney being cleaned out.[/quote]
Itâs in reference to O Neill being âcleaned outâ as the full back as mentioned here, I think he was exposed because of poor play outside him. O Neill was only at fault for one goal Saturday IMO. All the Clare backs have to take some responsibility for most of the goals in finals, there was a lot of standing around.
[quote=âBandage, post: 839049, member: 9â]What? McInerney completely snuffed out Luke OâFarrell both days. He moved onto Horgan for most of the second half in the replay and held him too after OâFarrell was hooked. He had two excellent finals and wasnât cleaned out at all - he actually excelled.
Thatâs a @Watchyourtoes type post in terms of pinning the number 3 because goals were conceded in the first game. He could have made a move to Lehane earlier for the first one perhaps but thatâs about it and it was similar to OâNeill being caught with Donnellan coming through the centre for the first goal in the replay. The other goals were a free after Dillon pulled Harnedy down and Croninâs finish after Moylan broke onto a loose ball. None of it constitutes McInerney being cleaned out.[/quote]
Itâs in reference to O Neill being âcleaned outâ as the full back as mentioned here, I think he was exposed because of poor play outside him. O Neill was only at fault for one goal Saturday IMO. All the Clare backs have to take some responsibility for most of the goals in finals, there was a lot of standing around.
[quote=âBandage, post: 839049, member: 9â]What? McInerney completely snuffed out Luke OâFarrell both days. He moved onto Horgan for most of the second half in the replay and held him too after OâFarrell was hooked. He had two excellent finals and wasnât cleaned out at all - he actually excelled.
Thatâs a @Watchyourtoes type post in terms of pinning the number 3 because goals were conceded in the first game. He could have made a move to Lehane earlier for the first one perhaps but thatâs about it and it was similar to OâNeill being caught with Donnellan coming through the centre for the first goal in the replay. The other goals were a free after Dillon pulled Harnedy down and Croninâs finish after Moylan broke onto a loose ball. None of it constitutes McInerney being cleaned out.[/quote]
Itâs in reference to O Neill being âcleaned outâ as the full back as mentioned here, I think he was exposed because of poor play outside him. O Neill was only at fault for one goal Saturday IMO. All the Clare backs have to take some responsibility for most of the goals in finals, there was a lot of standing around.
There was a lot of them standing around when Nash was taking those shots alright, but I donât think you could blame them there.
[quote=âglasagusban, post: 839055, member: 1533â]OâNeill should get the full back award ahead of McInerney because he wasnât at fault for goals Cork conceded (despite appearances to the contrary) and so was better than McInerney who was at fault for goals Clare conceded (despite your clear evidence to the contrary). If you donât understand this you just donât understand the game @Bandage.
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Your an idiot.
Firstly I picked the 2 of them, so you are talking thru your ass and 2nd I said O Neill is better were it to come down to the 2 of them based on all the other games this year when I Neill was the best full back line player in the game.
You want to argue against O Neill for McCarthy based on what McInerney did.
All 3 could make it, and I wouldnât have much if an issue with it.
[quote=âglasagusban, post: 839055, member: 1533â]OâNeill should get the full back award ahead of McInerney because he wasnât at fault for goals Cork conceded (despite appearances to the contrary) and so was better than McInerney who was at fault for goals Clare conceded (despite your clear evidence to the contrary). If you donât understand this you just donât understand the game @Bandage.
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Your an idiot.
Firstly I picked the 2 of them, so you are talking thru your ass and 2nd I said O Neill is better were it to come down to the 2 of them based on all the other games this year when I Neill was the best full back line player in the game.
You want to argue against O Neill for McCarthy based on what McInerney did.
All 3 could make it, and I wouldnât have much if an issue with it.
While I agree that OâNeill was only directly at fault for OâDonnellâs hat trick goal, the key difference of course is that OâNeillâs direct opponent(s) actually scored 4-3 from play whereas McInerneyâs didnât score any of the goals. So to use the term âcleaned outâ in regard to the latter is weak, grasping and a kop out.
Kev, youâre losing the plot. OâNeill is behind McCarthy, McInerney and probably Kelly. You havenât been at a game of hurling in years and so can be forgiven for not understanding the modern game.