I heard Oisin McConville on Second Captains recently saying how some fella in Limerick let him down on a ticket swap for the Hurling/Football All Irelands and how he ended up watching it at home. Itâs a sad state of affairs in Armagh if they canât get someone like Oisin McConville a Football All Ireland ticket up there.
[quote=âGman, post: 840118, member: 112â]not really Kev. If Wexford are playing Tipperary or cork or Clare, they will get more poeple going to it. If they are playing Carlow or Westmeath, they wont. They were in Division 1 and were relegated off the field of play, and now when there is a semblance of a competetive Div 2, they are changing that off the field too. Plus, Wexford have no control over the fact that the 8 counties in Div 1 get a higher revenue through having more games.
I do take on board that they should be getting more into the games, but if the GAA organise a league with that is less competetive and with weaker teams, then people arent going to go to it, and thats not in their control. Yes, they can get promoted, but as I said, they already were and then were shunted down.[/quote]
Who finished top 2 of the 1b this year? And was it Cork andClare bottom 2 in 1a?
Any league (and there are numerous reasons the NHL & NFL are so) that in the last day you can qualify for finals or get relegated is a fucking farce.
I think people are too worked up about it. Just use the league for what it is, a warm up. Good coaching will have a 1b team in a steady projectors all the ways to knock out time in July.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 840122, member: 273â]Who finished top 2 of the 1b this year? And was it Cork andClare bottom 2 in 1a?
Any league (and there are numerous reasons the NHL & NFL are so) that in the last day you can qualify for finals or get relegated is a fucking farce.
I think people are too worked up about it. Just use the league for what it is, a warm up. Good coaching will have a 1b team in a steady projectors all the ways to knock out time in July.[/quote]
Dublin/Limerick and Clare/Cork.
Iâd prefer to be warming up playing Limerick or Cork, and not Carlow or Westmeath, with the greatest of respect to them.
Also, as I pointed out, it will create a massive financial disparity between the top tier who get more games plus more attractive games as opposed to the ones trying to bridge that gap who could get 2 home games where they will be in no way competetive. You can argue the league is a warm up, but if counties can get âŹ100k out of them, and others in the next tier get less than âŹ5k, then that to me is a big problem. How can we aim to bridge that gap when finance these days are a massive burden to counties.
[quote=âGman, post: 840129, member: 112â]Dublin/Limerick and Clare/Cork.
Iâd prefer to be warming up playing Limerick or Cork, and not Carlow or Westmeath, with the greatest of respect to them.
Also, as I pointed out, it will create a massive financial disparity between the top tier who get more games plus more attractive games as opposed to the ones trying to bridge that gap who could get 2 home games where they will be in no way competetive. You can argue the league is a warm up, but if counties can get âŹ100k out of them, and others in the next tier get less than âŹ5k, then that to me is a big problem. How can we aim to bridge that gap when finance these days are a massive burden to counties.[/quote]
I realise the money is an issue. But you have to get good at hurling first. If you are good people will come watch you. If you are good you will get promoted and win enough gamesto stay up.
My point is though winning for teams who are not that successful trumps losing to Tipp, KK etc. a good coach should be able to use it to his advantage.
Took this from Hoganstand. It explains a few thing. They are still persisting with the ridiculous 1b play-off between 1st and 2nd. But the losers play-off against the 7th team in 1a for promotion.
There are proposals for a new hurling league structure.
Hereâs what the new hurling league structure proposals will mean for your county.
The GAAâs Central Competitions Controls Committee has devised the new proposals, which were revealed last night, and they will be debated at a Central Council meeting on October 12th.
Proposed new format:
Division 1A - Tipperary, Kilkenny, Galway, Waterford, Clare, Dublin, Cork, Limerick.
Each team to play 7 ordinary rounds.
The top 3 teams contest the Division 1 semi-finals along with the Division 1B winner.
The eighth placed team relegated to Division 1B.
The seventh placed team plays a relegation /promotion play off with the losers of the Division 1B final.
Division 1B - Offaly, Wexford, Antrim, Carlow, Laois, Westmeath.
Each team to play 5 ordinary rounds.
The top 4 teams contest the Division 1B semi-finals (1 v 4 and 2 v 3).
The Division 1B final winner is promoted to Division 1A and qualifies for the Division 1 semi-final.
The Division 1B final loser plays a promotion/relegation play off with team 7 from Division 1A.
The bottom team relegated to Division 2A.
Division 2A - Kerry, Derry, Wicklow, Kildare, Meath, London.
Each team to play 5 ordinary rounds.
The top 2 teams contest the Division 2A final.
The Division 2A final winner is promoted to Division 1B.
The bottom team relegated to Division 2B.
Division 2B - Down, Mayo, Armagh, Roscommon, Fingal, Donegal.
Each team to play 5 ordinary rounds.
The top 2 teams contest the Division 2B final.
The Division 2B final winner promoted to Division 2A.
The bottom team relegated to Division 3A.
Division 3A - Louth, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Monaghan.
Each team to play 3 ordinary rounds.
The top 2 teams contest the Division 3A final.
The Division 3A final winners are promoted to Division 2B.
The bottom team relegated to Division 3B
Division 3B - Longford, Sligo, Warwickshire, Leitrim.
Each team to play 3 ordinary rounds.
The top 2 teams contest the Division 3B final.
The Division 3B final winners are promoted to Division 3A. - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=202031#sthash.9OMSbTEA.dpuf
Says it all about the Association if Frank pulls this off. Actually it says it all about Frank if he pulls this off, the man is a stone cold Cork GAA legend, never to be equalled. Selling an 8/6 split just because Cork got sent down, fucking hell 
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 840145, member: 273â]I realise the money is an issue. But you have to get good at hurling first. If you are good people will come watch you. If you are good you will get promoted and win enough gamesto stay up.
My point is though winning for teams who are not that successful trumps losing to Tipp, KK etc. a good coach should be able to use it to his advantage.[/quote]
like we did 2 years ago? Despite being relegated that time, I wasnt too fussed about it as it meant we kept a reasonable amount of competetive games in Div 2. But the set up back then before the last recent change was utterly attrocious, and gave the worst second tier league ever, and now we are going back to that.
People will go watch quality games. If Cork were to go out and play Carlow, fuck all would turn up for it in comparison to if they were playing Tipp. One teams ability doesnt necessarily equate to people wanting to see them. They want to see a good game, not one team shit all over another one.
Iâd prefer to be competetive with Kilkenny and Tipp, even if we did lose, than going out and hammering Carlow or Westmeath.
[quote=âGman, post: 840169, member: 112â]like we did 2 years ago? Despite being relegated that time, I wasnt too fussed about it as it meant we kept a reasonable amount of competetive games in Div 2. But the set up back then before the last recent change was utterly attrocious, and gave the worst second tier league ever, and now we are going back to that.
People will go watch quality games. If Cork were to go out and play Carlow, fuck all would turn up for it in comparison to if they were playing Tipp. One teams ability doesnt necessarily equate to people wanting to see them. They want to see a good game, not one team shit all over another one.
Iâd prefer to be competetive with Kilkenny and Tipp, even if we did lose, than going out and hammering Carlow or Westmeath.[/quote]
Didnt Carlow run Wexford close in this years Championship? Was that home or away?
[quote=âGman, post: 840169, member: 112â]like we did 2 years ago? Despite being relegated that time, I wasnt too fussed about it as it meant we kept a reasonable amount of competetive games in Div 2. But the set up back then before the last recent change was utterly attrocious, and gave the worst second tier league ever, and now we are going back to that.
People will go watch quality games. If Cork were to go out and play Carlow, fuck all would turn up for it in comparison to if they were playing Tipp. One teams ability doesnt necessarily equate to people wanting to see them. They want to see a good game, not one team shit all over another one.
Iâd prefer to be competetive with Kilkenny and Tipp, even if we did lose, than going out and hammering Carlow or Westmeath.[/quote]
Are ye hammering those teams though?
[quote=âGman, post: 840129, member: 112â]Dublin/Limerick and Clare/Cork.
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Whatâs Wexfords issue so?
The fact that two years ago we avoided relegation through our results. The league were then restructured to make a stronger second tier and Wexford and Limerick were denied the spot that they had earned in the top tier.
Now Cork are being relegated, again, and the league is being restructured again, at their proposal. When John Meyler was over the Wexford team and they were relegated he mooted something like this and was laughed out of it. Now Frank comes in and itâs a great idea 'cos heâs from Cork.
Cork were relegated on the pitch, Wexford were not.
Ipso facto - case closed, end of.
If this goes ahead Cork must be in Division 2 with Offaly, Antrim, Cavan and Leitrim etc.
yeah they scraped past Carlow. hammering probably wasnt the right word to use. Carlow beat us in the league one year but because of the make up of it, it mattered fuck all as we still got to that years final. in any case, the point stands, we are far better off playing and competing against the likes of Tipp and KK, rather than playing teams who were relegated out of division 2.
as croppy says, we stayed up in Division 1, and the GAA came along and said they were sending us down and keeping Limerick down too, but now they are flip flopping again to suit others. And as I said, if this proposal goes ahead, we will be even more financially fucked than we already are. Replacing games against Limerick and Cork with ones against Carlow and Westmeath will be a massive drain on gate receipts.
As an aside, this was said last April;
No change to structure of hurling league before 2015 - Friday, April 19, 2013
Regardless of what proposals may be brought to Central Council regarding a change to the current structure of the Allianz Hurling League, Cork, Limerick, Offaly, Wexford, Antrim and Laois will all play in the lower division in 2014
GAA communications manager Alan Milton yesterday confirmed any efforts to change the league formats would have to go before Central Council â but not before 2015.
âWe havenât heard anything yet from any county, but if anyone wants to propose changing the current format they can bring it to Central Council, thatâs the forum for any such discussions,â he said.
"Because itâs not a rule change it doesnât have to go before Congress. Thereâs no urgency though, the current structure will be in place for 2014 and that will not change. The earliest that anything can happen is 2015, and thatâs if the appetite is there among the counties
Big fish, little fish.
[quote=âGman, post: 840192, member: 112â]yeah they scraped past Carlow. hammering probably wasnt the right word to use. Carlow beat us in the league one year but because of the make up of it, it mattered fuck all as we still got to that years final. in any case, the point stands, we are far better off playing and competing against the likes of Tipp and KK, rather than playing teams who were relegated out of division 2.
as croppy says, we stayed up in Division 1, and the GAA came along and said they were sending us down and keeping Limerick down too, but now they are flip flopping again to suit others. And as I said, if this proposal goes ahead, we will be even more financially fucked than we already are. Replacing games against Limerick and Cork with ones against Carlow and Westmeath will be a massive drain on gate receipts.
As an aside, this was said last April;
So you are still bitter about something that happened 2 years ago because not the exact same thing happened thi year. The way I see it nobody is losing out here from this seasons results.
You are working up about nothing here
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 840217, member: 273â]So you are still bitter about something that happened 2 years ago because not the exact same thing happened thi year. The way I see it nobody is losing out here from this seasons results.
You are working up about nothing here[/quote]
Do you think itâs acceptable to arbitrarily change the already agreed format of a competition without telling anybody?
Do you think this would happen once in any other sport?
Do you think it would happen twice in two years in any other sport?
I couldnât give a fuck what division Limerick are in. 1a would be nice for the players I guess and getting a few proper workouts but as we showed this year, 1b is where it is at.
We have JP, fuck the financial side of things
The other thing to take into account is that the promotion/relegation issues were clear at the start of the Legaue campaign last season and many counties adjusted for that and set their goals accordingly i.e. survival/promotion.
Imagine if you told the runners in the Olympics 1500m final that the first six from both races were going to qualify and subsequently change it to the quickest twelve times qualifying you for the final. Thereâd be consternation.
[quote=âMark Renton, post: 840233, member: 1796â]I couldnât give a fuck what division Limerick are in. 1a would be nice for the players I guess and getting a few proper workouts but as we showed this year, 1b is where it is at.
We have JP, fuck the financial side of things[/quote]
To be honest the whole system is wrong, ridiculous to change the league structure because one of the dominant teams was relegated and theyâve a new stadium to pay for.