Morning MBB!
While everyone is looking at Gaza,ISIS have apparently continued on their march and now control most of Eastern Syria, defeating or absorbing other anti-government groups. They have now become the main opposition group in Syria which means that the US et al now donât know who to support.
what about Assad murdering 2,000 Palestinians in Syria and thousands of his own people with chemical weapons and no one bats a fucking eyelid� the whole place is deranged
Nuke the fuck out of the whole middle east and be done with it.
if the US were to go in to stop Assad using WMD on his own people youâd have some crowd in dublin on the street protesting against US imperialism⌠meanwhile he just gets on with murdering babies and no one bats an eyelid⌠the world is a fucked up place lads
And The guys he is fighting are cutting each others heads off.
There are no âgood guysâ in the levant civil war.
Yep and no group protesting outside the GPO about this. Its seems anyone but the US and other Western country can do what the fuck they like to the innocent people in their countries and not one person bats an eyelib but god forbid the US or any Western country gets involved then you have these fucking idiots out on the street protesting. Fucked up cunts.
What an utterly retarded argument. Thatâs like trying to say that protesting against apartheid wrong because there were wars happening elsewhere too.
Was the protest by the Dunnes Stores workers against the sale of South African goods morally illegitimate because the Sri Lankan civil war was happening at the same time? Of course not. Only a complete moron, or an apologist for apartheid would have made that argument.
In this instance itâs yet another cowardly attempt to deflect attention from the historical fact that Israel has been stealing land using military force for over half a century, and has been brutally subjugating an entire people in order to do it.
My outlook on this is that if Israel had stopped building settlements as they should have done years ago and engaged properly in peace talks recently they wouldnât be facing this conflict now. While I donât defend the rocket attacks, Israel has engineered this entire situation. After that fact, itâs response is once again massively disproportionate. The rocket attacks on Israel are like bringing a pea shooter to a gunfight.
[QUOTE=âmickee321, post: 984440, member: 367â]
the fact that hamas are portrayed as some type of robin hood characters is pretty wrong,
what i dont agree with is how israel blockaded the sea into gaza, yes they were rightly concerned of weapons being smuggled in that would be used to kill their civilains but still all this did was create a prison type situation.
But what would anyone else do? gaza is not occupied, it is under the control of Hamas not israel, hamas thrive on the fact that their is a âblockadeâ as it is the greatest recruiting tool that they have.
we need 2 states but in order to so so the Palestinians need to unify, âŚPalestinian civil war similar to the ireland signing the peace treaty with loyd georgeâŚ[/QUOTE]
@mickee321, I agree with an awful lot of what youâve said and even some of this post but:
Iâve never heard Hamas described as some type of robin hood characters anywhere, even by more âanti-Israelâ media sources.
Youâve put your finger on something there with the blockade. It creates a giant open air prison, collectively punishes all the people of hazard, and is hamasâs greatest recruitment tool. That says a lot about Israelâs priorities. Their policies make Hamas stronger.
The last line about Palestinians needing to unify is a cop out on behalf of Israel. Itâs something trotted out put the blame and focus back on the Palestinians for Israelâs own lack of willingness to create the conditions for peace. Israel has the power to create conditions for peace. Step one stop building illegal settlements, step two start removing some of them.
I heard on the radio the other day that the Israeli government is under pressure from a significant proportion of Israelis to go in with a full scale ground invasion, and is doing itâs best to resist this pressure. They were saying the general Israeli population wanted more extreme action against Gaza. Is this true, have you noticed it?
There is no doubt that Israeli policy fosters Hamas but could it be a thing that Israel can only survive in conflict?
Israelâs is and always, more or less, has been a war economy. Massive military spending, huge US aid for same and every eligible citizen in the army or reserve.
A peaceful Israel would go down the tubes economically.
[QUOTE=âglasagusban, post: 984530, member: 1533â]My outlook on this is that if Israel had stopped building settlements as they should have done years ago and engaged properly in peace talks recently they wouldnât be facing this conflict now. While I donât defend the rocket attacks, Israel has engineered this entire situation. After that fact, itâs response is once again massively disproportionate. The rocket attacks on Israel are like bringing a pea shooter to a gunfight.
@mickee321, I agree with an awful lot of what youâve said and even some of this post but:
Iâve never heard Hamas described as some type of robin hood characters anywhere, even by more âanti-Israelâ media sources.
Youâve put your finger on something there with the blockade. It creates a giant open air prison, collectively punishes all the people of hazard, and is hamasâs greatest recruitment tool. That says a lot about Israelâs priorities. Their policies make Hamas stronger.
The last line about Palestinians needing to unify is a cop out on behalf of Israel. Itâs something trotted out put the blame and focus back on the Palestinians for Israelâs own lack of willingness to create the conditions for peace. Israel has the power to create conditions for peace. Step one stop building illegal settlements, step two start removing some of them.
I heard on the radio the other day that the Israeli government is under pressure from a significant proportion of Israelis to go in with a full scale ground invasion, and is doing itâs best to resist this pressure. They were saying the general Israeli population wanted more extreme action against Gaza. Is this true, have you noticed it?[/QUOTE]
Israel has never once in the 66 year history of the state negotiated in good faith, and that includes the Oslo accord - in fact the Oslo accord is the most obvious example, because the rate of settlement building in the West Bank and Gaza increased exponentially following its signing in 1993.
Israel is happy to remain on a permanent war footing as it gives it the excuse to keep expanding. Itâs a huge Tom cat playing with a two mice, one being the Palestinians, the other being the West. Itâs been taking the piss for 66 years but no Western country will ever dare call it out.
some good posting there from @glasagusban , we share the same views on much, i retract my previous statement that you are not informed.
i would disagree with the general public wanting greater action against Gaza, like all these polls its interesting to see what section of society it is taken from,
The IDF have called up 48k reservists now so a ground incursion looks imminent, the army in Israel is diferent in that everybody serves from 18-21 and is on reserve until 45 (except the likes of me and Arabs have the option not to serve) ., no one wants to get a call to reserve duty at a time like this , i know many lads who have and they abhor it.
People want this to stop, thatâs it really⌠look im still only understanding the jewish people, theyâve been persecuted for 2000 years and feel the need for a place to call home, the comment that Israel will not be here in 100 years couldnt be further from the truth and they will do their level best to prove it, the resolve of these people is incredible despite the massive issues here, you have this unfortuanrly large proportion of the population who are Zionist in the extreme and who genuinely see Judea and Samaria aka the west bank as jewish as it says so in the fking bible, these people are the problem.
i despise this government, i despise the settlers and i abhor the situation we have but the bottom line is the jews are going nowhere
with regard to the economy, @Ebeneezer Goode this war is crippling the country, the 9 iron dome installations cost 31 million USD each and every interception is 50k, towns like Ashdod, Ashkelon have stopped functioning, tourism is massively impacted and that is huge here⌠The mainstay of the Israeli economy is high tech, there are many startups here like Waze, chip design, satellite all that stuff and of course the irish army buy their bullets from here.
[QUOTE=âmickee321, post: 984439, member: 367â]WTB you make some valid points here but ill ask you have ever met an israeli arab?
if you do ask them right now what governement would they prefer to live under and where their quality of life is better?
would they prefer to live under Fatah in the WB? or god forbid under the Hamas dictatorship in gaza?
Most israeli arabs (especailly christians who serve in the military) indentify themselves more with the state of israel then they do with palestine., life in Nazareth under Bibi is 100 times better than Ramallah under Abbas or in gaza where the dictatorship running it only see your kids as cannon fodder for a human shield to fund their jihadist cause
Ill get back to the rest of the thread later as i want to do it justice by replying properly but one of the main reasons why israel survives is because 20% of its population (arab) are perfectly happy to reside in its borders[/QUOTE]
im not one for blowing my own trumpet but the importance of this post cannot be overlooked
My thought fwiw is that even if Israel disappeared tomorrow, there would be war through the Middle East as the various tribes turned on each other. The problem is that it has never taken that many fundamentalists to overthrow the silent majority who, by and large, want only to live in peace. This is repeated throughout history. Religion is the constant excuse of the barbarian, psychopath, looter and thief.
Wasnât me @mickee321, Id know fuck all about Israelâs economy or life there but thatâs why I think the posts are great, keep them up, keep safe!
Sick shit today.
agreed , there are no words to describe what happened, it dosent matter if those kids were targeted or not which i would hope to God not, planted there in the line of fire which is equally possible but also i would hope not or the just the victims of a shell destined to kill someone else the bottom line is 4 kids are dead and that is insane, an hour later a rocket blew up a school in Ashdod, obviously it was empty.
This thing is a disgusting mess now, i have never in all my life seen anything like this and the utterly bizarre thing is we will all go to work down here tomorrow and work together arabs, jews, expats , whatever and just continue as normal between the sirens while down the road this is going onâŚ
on sunday after i heard that barrage at lunchtime i was inside working on something with an arab fella and we were talking about the world cup final, when gaza came up he was just of the opnion " what can i say this is the fucking middle east and laughed", i suppose what else can you say really but holy christ,its as if people accept violence as a way of life
[QUOTE=âmickee321, post: 985120, member: 367â]agreed , there are no words to describe what happened, it dosent matter if those kids were targeted or not which i would hope to God not, planted there in the line of fire which is equally possible but also i would hope not or the just the victims of a shell destined to kill someone else the bottom line is 4 kids are dead and that is insane, an hour later a rocket blew up a school in Ashdod, obviously it was empty.
This thing is a disgusting mess now, i have never in all my life seen anything like this and the utterly bizarre thing is we will all go to work down here tomorrow and work together arabs, jews, expats , whatever and just continue as normal between the sirens while down the road this is going onâŚ
on sunday after i heard that barrage at lunchtime i was inside working on something with an arab fella and we were talking about the world cup final, when gaza came up he was just of the opnion " what can i say this is the fucking middle east and laughed", i suppose what else can you say really but holy christ,its as if people accept violence as a way of life[/QUOTE]
Are you going to get the fuck out of there or what?
i dont know, itâs not that straightforward anymore when you have a family , you would think itâs a simple decision but itâs actually not