Explain that picture Julio
Russian government closed their Turkish embassy on Vladimir Putin orders.
Everything I said was right
That the plane just skirted through the bottom of turkish airspace and was probably only in there for a matter of minutes if not seconds.
Ya thatâs my reading of it. The only link to it is on a Turkish news website though.
It depends on what the Turks consider their airspace. If itâs like sea borders they might consider a fighter jet anywhere within x number of miles of their border as hostile.
Well he wasnât coming to buy spuds
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No he was coming to drop scuds*
*planes donât drop scuds
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So the West, at war with ISIS and in the aftermath of an ISIS atrocity in one of their capital cities, is now in a confrontation with a country also fighting ISIS in order to support an country that is aiding ISIS. After the country that is aiding ISIS shot down a plane that was attacking ISIS.
Dr Strangelove had nothing on this.
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Why are the turks pissed with Russia?
After the west armed ISIS in the first place to defeat Assad, before about turning and half supporting Assad now.
Youâd have to go back a thousand years to properly explain that mate.
Hereâs a good starting point.
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Turkey supports isis. Destroy them.
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One of the potential consequences of today Iâve seen is that the Russians can cut off the gas pipeline to Turkey, which canât be good for Turkey.
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Putin: âA stab in the back by the associates of terrorism. I canât find other words for what has happenedâ
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Putin: âTurkey is the accomplice of ISIS. Todayâs event will have serious consequencesâ
âTurkey funds ISIS. She protects ISISâ
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Where you seeing that mate?
The crazy thing is that both Wikileaks and Seymour Hersh were writing about this stuff happening 5 years ago.
These are some excerpts from Hershâs 2007 article - http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection
âThe U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.â
"This time, the U.S. government consultant told me, Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that âthey will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was âWeâve created this movement, and we can control it.â Itâs not that we donât want the Salafis to throw bombs; itâs who they throw them atâHezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.â
"The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, a branch of a radical Sunni movement founded in Egypt in 1928, engaged in more than a decade of violent opposition to the regime of Hafez Assad, Bashirâs father. In 1982, the Brotherhood took control of the city of Hama; Assad bombarded the city for a week, killing between six thousand and twenty thousand people. Membership in the Brotherhood is punishable by death in Syria. The Brotherhood is also an avowed enemy of the U.S. and of Israel. Nevertheless, Jumblatt said, âWe told Cheney that the basic link between Iran and Lebanon is Syriaâand to weaken Iran you need to open the door to effective Syrian opposition.â
âNasrallah said he believed that America also wanted to bring about the partition of Lebanon and of Syria. In Syria, he said, the result would be to push the country âinto chaos and internal battles like in Iraq.â In Lebanon, âThere will be a Sunni state, an Alawi state, a Christian state, and a Druze state.â But, he said, âI do not know if there will be a Shiite state.â Nasrallah told me that he suspected that one aim of the Israeli bombing of Lebanon last summer was âthe destruction of Shiite areas and the displacement of Shiites from Lebanon. The idea was to have the Shiites of Lebanon and Syria flee to southern Iraq,â which is dominated by Shiites. âI am not sure, but I smell this,â he told me.â
Assange has written about Wikileaks cables from December 2006 that spell out the plan in Syria explicitly:
ââŚThat plan was to use a number of different factors to create paranoia within the Syrian government; to push it to overreact, to make it fear thereâs a coupâŚso in theory it says 'We have a problem with Islamic extremists crossing over the border with Iraq, and weâre taking actions against them to take this information and make the Syrian government look weak, the fact that it is dealing with Islamic extremists at all.â
"âPart of the problem in Syria is that you have a number of US allies surrounding it, principally Saudi and Qatar, that are funneling in weapons. Turkey as well [is] a very serious actor. [They] each have their own hegemonic ambitions in the region. Israel also, no doubt, if Syria sufficiently destabilized, it might be in a position where it can keep the Golan Heights forever, or even advance that territory. So youâve got a number of players around Syria that are looking to bite off piecesâŚâ
I donât see what Matty quoted anywhere in there though?