Gibberish.
If the population naturally increased by 10% in just over 4 years would you not say itâs an issue?
There isnât a country on the planet (in any media environment) which wouldnât have issues associated with that.
This pretending itâs not an issue and people who bring it up are Nazis is ridiculous and counterproductive.
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My post is very easy to understand. Go back and read it.
The challenges of providing things that cater for human existence are real. Itâs a challenge to provide sewers and cycle lanes and public transport.
Itâs a challenge to overhaul the bus fleet in Dublin, to enlarge the bus fleet. Do Dublin Bus say âweâre suffering as a company because we need more buses because the population is growing, BAN IMMAGRINTS and we wouldnât have to buy more buses!â
Do they fuck.
Framing is the issue. Framing determines whether something is an issue. The way immigration is framed is entirely bogus, a transparent sham.
No white Irish people suffer because of immigration. The people that think they do are just choosing to wallow in seductive, bullshit racist narratives pushed by vultures.
You exist in a society that doesnât stay still. If you donât want to exist in such a society, go out and buy a time machine.
Thatâs me told anyway, so well argued
âSufferâ is an emotive word chosen to suit your argument. However clearly there has been impact caused by immigration in some communities.
I think of the villages up and down the west coast where local hotels have been long-term leased by the government for Ukrainian refugees. While this is a laudable policy - particularly at the outbreak of war - it clearly has impacted locally where businesses have felt the knock-on impact of a lack of tourism on restaurants, cafes etc. Thatâs just one example which is caused less by immigration per Se and more by the poor administrative response to it - but it is absolutely incorrect to claim there hasnât been an impact or that somehow itâs in peopleâs heads.
Iâm really not going to get into a back and forth with you on it because youâre as dogmatic about this sort of stuff as the far-right headbangers and about as likely as them to engage with reasonable facts to adjust your position but if youâre being called out by the likes of @glasagusban and @Juhniallio Id suggest you take the opportunity to quietly shelf this latest rant
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No white Irish have suffered because of immigration to this country. Nobody on this forum has.
If some of the insidious nature of the Nazi propaganda weâre firehosed with has been absorbed by the two posters you mention, Iâd suggest you and they consider your/their views and what they are influenced by.
Hilarious. Look over there itâs all Labourâs fault. All damage was obviously the year Kelly was a minister inthe 10 from FGâ biggest hitters, Hogan, Coveney and mmmm Murphy.The state pays an absolute fortune to private landlords. Itâs FG policy. It isnt working obviously.
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I have an elderly uncle in poor health who was housed 20km from his home when it was sold by his brother some years ago.
He is on a list since to be rehoused in his original locality and was recently bumped by Limerick City & County Council in favour of a Ukrainian woman who was already in accommodation in Castletroy. Several submissions to TDs & Councillors have resulted in nothing but hand wringing.
It is an issue. There is a clear and honest example.
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If it wasnât a Ukrainian it would be somebody else. It could be somebody from Dublin. Or Belfast. Or Portugal. Or Brazil.
Half of Shannon was on the run from Belfast.
You cannot have a country that grows in population without experiencing growing pains. Capitalism depends on growth. Growth means labour shortages and services that will not keep up day to day. But it keeps full employment and boosts social spending.
You cannot have a country that falls in population without having severe economic consequences which are worse than the growing pains of a country with a growing population. Capitalism has never found a way to stave off economic decline and all the cuts to social services that go with that in a country with a falling population.
You cannot have even a country that keeps a constant level of population without experiencing issues. Capitalism depends on growth.
No other economic system has proven to be foolproof.
The world canât keep on growing its population forever.
Basically, there are always problems and always issues and always will be.
We as a species feel the need to demand perfect systems which will never exist. Itâs shit, but thatâs the way it is.
The issue of immigration in this country is entirely framed through anger against immigrants. That never does and never can lead anywhere good, only to somewhere very bad.
I hope your uncle gets sorted with a place in a good location.
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Another all-encompassing statement on something youâre not in a position know about. Pretty dumb. It undermines the rest of your argument about stirring up resentment of immigration which on the money.
I just posted how the housing stock is growing at the second highest rate in Europe. We produced the most last year btw. Under a FF minister btw.
HAP grew at its highest rate under Minister Kelly fyi
Heâs also the one who came up with this great idea
That there are trade offs and nuance to this is obvious. If someone substituted in another issue and associated it with the growing pains of capitalism then you wouldnât hand wave the issue away.
Hmmm. You have no problem reminding us non stop about worldwide conspiracies from putin etc. One widely recognised one is how putin is delighting in flooding europe with refugees to destabilise it. Itâs working. Visibly. Votes for the far right are rising all over europe because of it. Including here.
Itâs laughable to say there has been no effect. From people whose businesses were affected to people whose housing situations were affected and many many more. Even in a tiny way my business has been affected by the rise in costs of hotels. I dont really give a fuck but to say it is not an issue in Ireland, when even the minister in charge admits it, is beyond stupid, arrogant and indeed stubborn.
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Shite and bluster as always tim. He also came up with a new process to streamline planning laws. And the vacant site levy that fg have continually stopped. And enshrined it in law that developers HAVE to give over their 10% for social housing and cant buy their way out of it like they could.
And, ehâŚIs housing the homeless not a good idea?
https://www.theplanner.co.uk/2014/10/03/kelly-unveils-new-planning-measures
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Of course Putin is delighted to flood Europe with refugees because he knows he wonât have to work very hard to stir up chaos. The history of refugees fleeing anywhere pretty much always results in hatred against refugees in the places they end because human beings are fucking stupid and lazy and reach for the lazy narrative which confirms their biases and prejudices and indulges their imagined fears.
Irish people fleeing the famine faced it in America and Britain. We donât look at that as âoh, of course the Americans and the Presbyterians in the West Of Scotland and the people who put up the No Blacks No Dogs No Irish signs had âlegitimate grievancesâ against the Irish.â
We donât do that. We see it as the bigotry and racism it was.
Humans are stupid. They are easily manipulated. Very few have either the intelligence or the time to understand migration as an issue and the root causes as to why it exists. So lots of them just go âthose people are coming to rape us and take everything from us.â The message of hatred is always far simpler than the message of understanding, and far more readily taken up.
Immigration isnât a real issue. Immigration is a fact of life, it will never, ever stop. Fighting against it is like fighting the tide. Bigoted reaction to immigration is the issue.
Beyond that, governments should try and address the root causes of immigration. The number one way to do that would be for America to get its finger out and annihilate Russiaâs army and Putin and his regime in the way Israel is annihilating innocent people in Gaza and Lebanon and the Hamas and Hezbollah leadership with its support. They could easily do it. As long as these appalling choices are made in terms of foreign policy, you will have refugees. And even if good foreign policy choices were made and people have a chance to go back to Ukraine, migration is only going to increase.
The 19th century was the century of migration, the 20th century was the century of migration and the 21st century is going to be the century of migration on a far higher level again.
My advice: deal with it, or buy a time machine. Alex Jones is selling them on his website, you get a discount if you subscribe to his podcast.
Eoghan Murphy also came up with reforms that led to the glut of housing we have had over the last few years.
You donât afford him the same leeway.
Unfortunately many of Minister Kellyâs ones didnât get off the ground, like Scandinavian sizes.
The facts are that housing delivery is very strong right now, what do Labour have to offer when their last tenure was the roots of the issue?
Except for the likes of Japan where they have seriously limited it.
And yes that has negative consequences, as the issue is nuanced.
But pretending there arenât options is as narrow minded as it comes.
Immigration as an âissueâ is like the âwelfare spongersâ issue. A fake, kick down issue designed to distract.
For years âwelfare spongersâ were demonised as THE PROBLEM. They were not the problem. They were a drop in the ocean.
There are a whole host of issues which might lead to a small minority of people becoming âwelfare spongersâ, if you want to use that horrible term, but nobody ever really cared about those issues. The problem was deemed to be almost a genetic one of a class of sub-humans that somehow existed, independent of any human agency, that were a plague like rats, and if only we could get rid of the rats, everything would be great.
Life and human beings are not like that.
You arenât making any sense.
Ireland has options when it comes to migration, the same way as Japan did. You want to deny this now because you know the substance of what you are saying is just waffle.
I am making sense, you arenât.
Iâve clearly and cogently laid out the reality of the situation over multiple posts.
Because you donât like the reality, you deem it waffle.
Itâs easy to see why you were a Trump supporter.