I was asked âwhy arenât you wearing a poppyâ numerous times when I lived in London, Tossy mate.
I disagree. I think that itâs because the first world war is perceived as the absolute nadir of waste and death and idiocy and an annihilation of one class by another. No-one I know perceives it as just. Iâd feel exactly as bad for the German lads that fought and died.
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Donna Traynor was not âforcedâ
Jean Mcconville and her Catholic equivalents were forced.
Taking an epl franchise as a shining example is a bit weak, and using the reaction of a few soccerballing neanderthals as a representation of an entire society equally so. James McLean well, most of the English population wouldnât know who he was, and would respect his decision which was largely met with resounding indifference. As many commentators applauded his stance as derided it. Not many said anything much outside the redtops. I applaud his decision, or the courage of it, as he knew that within the slack jawed soccer fanbase, he was bound to attract abuse. In wider society, not so.
What are you talking about, flatty? It is obvious at sporting occasions, particularly EPL matches, that this is happening. If they are sewing poppies into jersies, then players are being forced to wear them and if they donât, they get dogs abuse about it from the terraces and the rags over there. Youâre supping the soup too long if you think this isnât happening and is something we are making up.
The Barry Egan reference I donât get.
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She was, as she was not allowed carry on the job she was employed with by sticking with her beliefs or principles.
McClean made a choice not to wear a poppy and came under serious scrutiny and was attacked vociferously by the British public and press.
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Fuck the poppy, fuck wars, fuck off⌠My own grand father was injured at Dunkirk, heâs long gone now but heâd spit on the poppy and heâd spit on any fool that would wear oneâŚMillions of men lied to for nothing but ego and empire.
In relation to the second world war - @Locke, you might tell me why Britain joined that war?
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Not a historian and Iâm Irish and not British but I will say because they saw Germany entering Poland and that was the final straw in what they saw as Hitlers imperialistic notions around Europe?
My great Grandfather went off to war back in 1915 so I feel your pain mate. He died of his wounds after one of the needless battles that took place in northern France. War is horseshit but it happens. Nothing wrong with remembering the dead.
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Itâs gas the way all the lads on here go on about groupthink and people being foced to do X, Y and Z in blind patriotism when this country is riven with the very same thing
Donât you dare ever criticise the Easter Rising in Ireland
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You criticise it every day of the week and nobody has ever once called for you to be banned. They might think you are a fucknuckle but they will defend your right to be a fucknuckle.
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I believe there has been a similar amount of commentary re Poppy facism as there was say for John Bruton criticising the 1916 Rising. There was hysterical reaction to his comments on the matter
Barry Egan, Jean McConville, slack jawed soccer yokels. What in the name of good fuck is that soup taking simpleton @flattythebritishbastard prattling on about?
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. He got plenty of coverage across all media platforms for his opinions and as far as I am aware was perfectly free to express those views without fear of sanction. Many of the media outlets agreed in whole or in part with his opinions. I hope you are not confining your view of public opinion to what you read on tfk.
Ah @Bandage, thatâs a mediocre effort. Iâm genuinely unsure whether you are joking or looking for a pat on the head from rocko whilst you hump his leg.
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Sorry, pal. I just thought you posted a pile of absolute stream of consciousness drivel.
PS, Iâve been proudly wearing a poppy myself since @Tassotti recommended it.
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How did the war endâŚfor Poland?
Millions of her citizens died. It was downsized and told how to run itâs country by the Russians.
Can I ask you random questions too?
It is important that the poor continue to be unable to see that they are dying for the rich.
Poppyism is part of the cult propagated around armed forces in order to;
- Send young people off to their deaths to protect the interests of corporations.
- Justify the vast amounts of money corporations get from national governments to fuel their war machines.
So Britain entered the war to free Poland and millions of lives later Poland was still occupied but it was a victory for freedom and we should wear a poppy to remember those who delivered this freedomâŚis that what you are saying? What a cunt.
But itâs time we moved on apparentlyâŚ