I can see both sides of it . if that was any other industry working abroad would count for something when it came to discussing your pay. The problem could be an administrative nightmare as to what counts as service and from where etc.
And then the final piece of “ I stayed” and “you left” playing out in the staff room could lead to relationship issues alright
It’s what Marbella was to the Celtic tiger generation .
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You’ve been through it and toughed out first few years. Ive no sympathy for those comimg back. They deserve the coin the made abroad none the less.
Its different to other industries. You cant import teachers from abroad at primary level due to the irish requirements, which in turn also sets a high bar in the LC points race for college places in st patricks, mary i etc. The system is set up to ensure that we have capable teachers, in fairness our education system is very good in comparison to other nations
But you’re happy to lose them all from the system because they went abroad for a few years? You see no benefit to having people who’ve taught in different countries coming back into ours ?
A lot of these people affected are irish people who went away though so they trained in ireland and then went off for a few years for the craic or to get a deposit for a house etc.
They knew going that they’d go back in at a level they left and they weighed up the benefit and decided to go anyway, so i get why they shouldnt be moaning but the reality is we need good teachers asap, so a tweak of the rules might might a good quick change. It’s not like it’s in the constitution that they shouldnt give an inch…
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No not at all what im saying is there should be no entitlement to a higher position based on being abroad
Which translates as their experience abroad in a different system is of no benefit
They knew the story before going as you said. They are intelligent enough to make that decision based on those facts before they left. Why moan when they come back, im sure they might be better off than their peers who stayed if they saved accordingly and not pissed it away. People need to live by the decisions they make and not expect the world to bow to their wills.
Did they know that before they left?
I’m not asking about them . I’m asking is it a benefit to have people who have experience of working in different educational system coming back to the Irish system. If you agree it is then what is the incentive to get them back ?
But like most things it’s all too personal and the real reason is “fcuk them i stayed and they left “. Even if you recognised their service some way they wouldn’t be near the money they were on. Anyway To me the real issue is how we attract foreigners that are here getting into our system . Attract is the wrong word , it’s actually remove the barriers of thinly veiled Protectionism from the system , like having to have studied irish . Like it’s either a crisis or it’s not.
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Hmmm. That’s a bit old testament though isnt it? Like, when we had too many houses built everywhere we left ghost estates all over the country and now we’ve a housing crisis so we are going hell for leather on anything that will help. So like the job of government is to reqct to what we need now and for the future. So if there is something that will help entice some people who are desperately needed back then why not.
Bull" McCabe : You went away to America, to make your few dollars. Do you think you can come back here with those few dollars and to buy the land that you deserted?
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It could make the teaching shortage worse too. If teachers thought that experience abroad could count towards incremental credit, many more would go abroad.
The easiest solution is to cut PME to one year and/or provide grant towards its cost.
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Thats true. But it would still bring a fair few back. Ultimately you could end up with a very healthy cycle where teachers go away for a couple of years get valuable experience but come back, as opposed to just training them and losing them. Maybe a sliding scale of reward then for returnees.
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Many newly qualified teachers were in college during covid. They want to travel, have new experiences and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, I would encourage it. Again, if experience abroad counted towards incremental credit, they will stay abroad longer.
It is very hard to recruit teachers, regardless of subjects. We had a geography maternity leave last year and got one applicant. The person in question had a tonne of experience abroad. It did not work out too well as there is no experience like actually teaching the leaving cert course.
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I was chatting to a lass on the plane the last day who was flying to Manc to look at jobs having just qualified as a teacher. She said the class was aggressively courted by UK agencies, and that there wasn’t anything in her locality so she was going to the UK for a year or two in the hope that something would come up.
She was told in Ireland that teaching experience in the UK would be looked upon favourably when they were recruiting.
I really liked her, and this is exactly the sort of person should be teaching in Ireland, someone with the cojones to try something different. Id take her over the smug weddings.ie type who got the gig because of her family connections any day of the week.
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I know a few who went teaching in England and apparently it’s a shit show. More days, more work. Ridiculous admin. They recruit foreigners to take the jobs no one in the UK wants so you get the worst jobs available.
The panel system for primary school teachers is one thing that would be an easy fix. It’s very hard to leave the county you first start in.
I’d be in favour of paying teachers more. Primary teachers especially. That’s tough work. They are bigger cunts in secondary but at least you only see them for short periods. Imagine dealing with someone’s cunt of a kid all day every day with no break and nothing you can do about it. Fuck that shit.
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Hmmm. Dont think this is how things work in Ireland 95%of the time these days…
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Flatty does imagine a lot of these scenarios in Oireland.
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