Isnt democracy dead though when youâve to keep repeating the same referendum over and over again until you get the right vote, like our Lisbon referendum. Brexit doesnt suit us here at all obviously, but they voted out, they should go out. Beef/dairy farmers (who are the most exposed) will be grand here and there will never be a hard border with the North. There will be no tariffs of consequence eitherâŚare the Germans going to stop selling their cars to the Brits, not a hope. Key thing really is, the EU project is failingâŚweâve done reasonably well out of it granted, but at the same time the EU threw us under a bus of USC taxes for the forseeable future and our kids future to bail out the bondholders et al. That doesnt sit well with me personally. Saying that I dont think we should or could afford to ever leave.
There will be no new referendum, the UK will leave. Another referendum which overturns the first (as it undoubtedly would) would cause divisions in England that would take a generation or two to heal. Both major parties know that. The EU is fucked, the economy is entering a recession just at the time you have rising populism already. After the UK, Italy, Greece and then France will leave and then itâs all over.
More democracy cannot by definition be anti-democratic.
The 2016 referendum was a sham as far as democracy goes - i) it threw out the UKâs system of parliamentary sovereignty, ii) the Leave campaign flagrantly broke funding laws and iii) the Leave campaign shamelessly bombarded Britain with a torrent of outright lies and fantasies.
The EU is not failing, itâs been the most successsful multi-national bloc in history. Thereâs a reason why others, such as Turkey, are clamouring to get in.
Anarcho-capitalists and kleptocrats such as Putin and his poodle Trump want to destroy it because they want to destroy all regulation and social protection and particularly in Putinâs case, he wants a world in which multi-national blocs no longer exist because he wants to eliminate opposition to Russia asserting its military power on the global stage and in former Soviet territories. Putin wants Russiaâs empire back.
The EU gives Ireland strength in numbers. Without it, we would be nothing.
What the Brits are doing is akin to a country having a collective nervous breakdown similar to whatâs going on with Trump supporters in the US.
If they leave, theyâll find that they are a pawn on the global stage.
Your argument as to why there should be no second referendum is literally âthe fash would wreck the country, so they should be given in toâ.
That isnât an argument for not holding a second referendum and itâs also entirely in keeping with your obvious pro-fascist tendencies.
The EU gives us a market of 500 million peopleâŚits huge for us and weâre too small to even consider walking away from thatâŚwould be insanity. But, I would be concerned about it as a project going forward. Its essentially been kept on its feet by printing money by the ECB. No inflation long term is no good eitherâŚyouâre effectively prolonging the pain. Greece has improved a bit, but Italy is in bad shape. The EU will survive alright, but I reckon weâre in for another crash in the next couple of years. And as weâre such an open marketâŚweâre overwhelmingly exposed.
Regarding the Brits, I canât see them leaving either. Theyâll realise in time that theyâre no longer the imperial powerhouse that they once were outside of London.
There you go again, Nazi, Nazi Nazi.
Youâre the only intolerant fascist on here pal, always right in your delusional head but always wrong in the place called reality.
Live with it.
There will be a major war in Western Europe within 35 years. Unless Brexit is delivered in some shape or form in the UK, there will be very serious repercussions
You are a fascist and you do have Nazi sympathies. Thatâs why you rightly get called a Nazi.
Thereâs no other reason.
Your political views are astoundingly beyond the pale, theyâre craazy and highly dangerous and what one would expect from a commenter on a Gemma OâDoherty video on YouTube. You demonstrably are a far right disinformation merchant who despises the concept of truth, and you have absolutely no concept of reality and a total inability for critical thinking.
All this is fascism 101. Thatâs your level.
There, there Sid, have a lie down, itâs going to be a long weekend for the Rachel Maddow fanboys.
Wow, what a response, thatâs me told.
Didnât bother reading the rest of the post but would have liked if youâd replaced âsheerâ with Shearer
Epic bantz from the Paras.
Boom, boom
Let me hear you say Jezza
JEZZA
JEZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Jezzaâs some precious attention seeking little diva. Heâs too big a deal to trot along to his queenâs banquet and meet trump. Then he turns round and asks for his own special meeting with trump. Sure you couldnât make it up.
I laughed at you calling somebody else a precious attention seeking little diva
The irony flew over your little head didnât it
You need to let that Tyrian towers thing go mate.
It ainât me that has to let it go pal
You made a tit of yourself
Plus ca change and all that
Youâve a bit to go it seems.