Landlords/Houses/tennants/cunts thread

he is obsessed with your love life for sure.
best of luck with the house hunting

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You donā€™t hang around kid. Any port in a storm I suppose.

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Disgusting comment.

You can sense the jealousy dripping off that post. Heā€™s after forking out 350K to buy a tiny house for himself and his cat that you canā€™t even fit a couch into. Meanwhile @Smark is buying a country pile for a fraction of the price with his lovely ladyfriend.

Eh, I have two couches. Mate.

Which fold out into a nice double bed.

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So much room for activities.

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Or can be pushed together to build a fort.

Those look like load bearing cushions.

Who said anything about her stumping up any money for it? Itā€™s my application/ potential purchase. I want to give her the illusion that she had some part to play in choosing the place.

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Oh I didnā€™t say anything about that. What youā€™ve just said strikes me as outrageously more strange than your earlier post. Anyway, good luck with it.

Iā€™m potentially buying a family home to put under her arse for nothing with none of her savings used towards it and thatā€™s very strange behaviour? Itā€™s a mighty sound gesture if you ask me.

Sheā€™s a lucky woman. Iā€™d nearly marry you meself.

Well played.

sound man you are

Pre-nup mate

Heā€™s only jagging a wet week, sheā€™d take that fierce bad for the sake of a house in Limerick

Moping is about right.

:open_mouth:

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Good article in the Times today by Fiona Reddan about FGā€™s ā€˜Affordable Housingā€™ strategy. Cunts.

Thereā€™s an old adage weā€™re all familiar with: ā€œWell, I wouldnā€™t start from here if I was going there.ā€ And the more we learn about the Governmentā€™s ā€œaffordableā€ housing strategy, the more it calls to mind this phrase.

In the midst of a fully-fledged housing crisis, with rents continuing to hit new highs, and house prices recovering strongly until the latest abatement, there is clearly an urgent need for affordable housing in Dublin.

The Government has swathes of local authority land ā€“ in places like Dublinā€™s Glass Bottle site in Ringsend ā€“ ready for development into ā€œaffordableā€ homes, which are targeted, according to Minister for Housing Eoghan Murphy, ā€œtowards low- to middle-income first-time buyer householdsā€.

But have they started off in the wrong place for where they want to end up?

Governmentā€™s approach

In the latest move in the Governmentā€™s affordable housing strategy, last week Dublin City Council revealed it had appointed Bartra Capital as its preferred bidder for a development of the Oā€™Devaney Gardens site. The site in the north inner city, formerly home to 272 flats across 13 four-storey blocks, is now to be redeveloped into a mix of 824 private, social and affordable homes.

Indeed, 165 of the units will be deemed ā€œaffordableā€, marking one of the first concrete examples of the Governmentā€™s Rebuilding Ireland affordable housing strategy since it was launched with much aplomb back in 2015.

Under its affordable housing strategy, the Government is charging local authorities to sell affordable housing at discounts of 30-40 per cent of the market value of the property. The discounts are being achieved via the transfer of Government land to private developers, who will then develop and sell on the units.

But how ā€œaffordableā€ are these homes?

Affordability

Early indications suggest that once the 30-40 per cent discount is applied, sale prices for eligible buyers will start at ā‚¬237,000-ā‚¬276,000 for a one-bed apartment; ā‚¬270,000 to ā‚¬315,000 for a two-bed house; and ā‚¬360,000-ā‚¬420,000 for a three-bed apartment.

Already there have been objections against these values. To purchase the cheapest one-bed apartment for example, our putative buyer will need savings of ā‚¬23,700, plus an income of ā‚¬60,942 based on a mortgage multiple of 3.5 times income. But is someone on that level of earnings really a ā€œlow-incomeā€ buyer? And what about the more expensive properties? To buy a two-bed house for ā‚¬315,000, our buyers would need income of ā‚¬81,000, or ā‚¬108,000 for the most expensive three-bed.

Not only that, but if our would-be buyer is single, then they could find themselves excluded from the scheme, even if they had earnings of more than ā‚¬60,000, as the mooted eligible income limit is ā‚¬50,000 (this already applies to Rebuilding Ireland Home Loans). But a couple earning ā‚¬75,000 (limit for couples) might also be excluded because of the priority rules which govern who gets an affordable home. According to this, a one-bed home is best suited to a ā€œsingle- or two-person householdā€. So what happens if our couple earning ā‚¬60,000 have a child?

Discount owed

But thatā€™s not all ā€œaffordableā€ purchasers will have to contend with. They will also, at some point, have to repay the ā€œdiscountā€ from which they have benefited.

Under the old affordable scheme, for example, which came to an end in 2011, property purchases ā€“ offered at discounts of 25-35 per cent of ā€œmarket valueā€ ā€“ were subject to a claw-back of the discount on the price, if the units were sold within 20 years (reducing by 1/10th for years 10-20). The thinking, presumably, was that in a rising market, affordable buyers shouldnā€™t profit from their purchases, and instead should pass on the gains they had made to the council. Of course this didnā€™t quite happen, as many of these buyers found themselves in negative equity as a result of the crash, which forced councils to change their criteria. A claw-back now only applies when a buyer is making a profit on the sale of their property.

But despite these recent experiences, the Government is still ploughing ahead once more with this concept, albeit with a slight change of tack. This time around, local authorities will hold on to an equity share of each affordable property sold, which would allow the ā€œrecovery of market value discountā€.

Options for paying down the councilā€™s stake ā€“ as well as their own mortgage remember ā€“ include paying instalments ā€œoff the chargeā€ over the life of the loan, or when the property is resold.

When the council gets this charge repaid, it will then put these funds into a new Affordable Dwellings Fund, to build more affordable homes.

As outlined in the DĆ”il, the equity stake is indexed to market prices, so, if the discount given at the date of the purchase is 25 per cent, and the price of a ā‚¬250,000 house goes up by ā‚¬100,000, then the equity stake will go up by 25 per cent, or an additional ā‚¬25,000.

But what if the ā€œmarket valueā€ of these homes falls? After all, latest figures show prices in the capital are starting to waver again.

Market value

Now all of the above may be palatable if buyers were sure they were getting a good deal in the first place.

But one of the problems (and there are several) with this equity share goes back to ā€œmarket valueā€ and the discount applied to this.

When asked how it determined the market value upon which the mooted sale prices at Oā€™Devaney Gardens are based, Dublin City Council offered us no response.

And a cursory glance on property platforms would query the logic of their ā€œmarket valueā€.

In the case of the priciest three-bed property for example, a 40 per cent discount would infer a market value of ā‚¬700,000 ā€“ or ā‚¬600,000 for a 30 per cent discount. But we found a three-bed apartment at Norseman Court in the area already on the market for just ā‚¬395,000 ā€“ or a value thatā€™s even less than the so-called ā€œaffordableā€ price.

Or what about a two-bed house? Priced at ā‚¬270,000-ā‚¬315,000, a 30 per cent discount implies a market value of ā‚¬385,714-ā‚¬450,000. But just a few metres away from the Oā€™Devaney Gardens site is a two-bed renovated cottage on the market for ā‚¬295,000.

Now, these examples are illustrative rather than definitive; so we also looked at the CSOā€™s property price index. It reveals that the median price for properties sold in Dublin 7 in the year to July 2019 is ā‚¬340,000; and for first-time buyers, the median price in Dublin 7 in July was just ā‚¬312,500.

What the market value might be referring to then is build-to-rent values, which tend to be substantially higher than sales to owner-occupiers ā€“ and is a market which developer Bartra Capital is involved in.

So is the Government heading in the right direction? Well, if it had really been determined to deliver housing at a more reasonable cost, wouldnā€™t a simpler approach have been to forget about discounts and market values and just offer the homes as cheaply as they can be built?

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