How do Tyrone struggle against teams vastly inferior to them?
When did Tyrone lose to a Division 3 or Division 4 side in Championship football - thatâs all Kerry have to beat to make it into the last 12 of the All Ireland.
I donât grasp the point you are making, think you need to do some further research as your rationale is incorrect.
In 2006 they lost to an awful Derry team who then lost to a team of drinkers in Donegal. In turn that donegal team who got beaten by an armagh team that were miles over the hills and got their arses handed to them by Kerry in croke park.
Tyrone farted past louth and then got beat by fucking Laois. Tyrone always struggle to put away vastly inferior teams like Kerry do.
Kerry developed the perfect quick kick passing game to hammer inferior opposition but struggled to deal with sides like Tyrone/Donegal that were better physically equipped and closed down space for their forwards.
Absolute nonsense and itâs becoming more obvious how ill-informed you are.
Armagh led Kerry for most of that game and the losing of it was a tactical failing on Kernanâs behalf. He let a physical mismatch between Donaghy and Bellew play out all game and did nothing about it, it cost Armagh the game.
Kerry were also a much more physical team than Tyrone, they had serious height advantages all over the pitch, Tyrone had to rely on their guile, pace, tenacity and slick movement to beat Kerry as they were a very small team crammed with excellent footballers.
The facts are Ulster during that period yielded 6 different counties who made it to All Ireland semi-finals, four of which couldnât even get their hands on the Anglo Celt at that time.
Tyrone have to run a half marathon before the Munster teams join in for the final stretch, itâs something you donât want to discuss, the fact that Ulster counties are competing with serious teams from the beginning of May to progress one round at a time while Cork and Kerry are having nice warm up games against cannon fodder to gradually prepare them for late July August.
5 teams have beaten Kerry in knockout Championship football since 2002 - four of them are from Ulster.
Yes i do. He had been on the squad for around 12 years at that point. He had slowed but his ability meant he was still hugely effective. He just didnât want to carry Tipp anymore.
Forde was still a dangerous player but needed full support of his team mates. Browne had to do it all himself.
Anyway, its just a preference. Iâd kike tge 2 of them, but in terms of versitility and leadership i would pick Browne if i was given the choice.
Browne never did it in serious games.
Ukster championship is not must win. Tyrone have been doing well by being knocked out early.
Yes because those 4 teams came through an easier route of the qualifiers. The only reason Tyrone had to come through a marathon is because over the last ten years theyâve been shown to struggle against inferior teams. They were vastly superior to the derry teams and laois teams in 06 or the cork team in 09 that they lost to.
Yes 4 teams are from Ulster but between 02 - 15 kerry won 5 all irelands. No ulster team manager more than 3.
Listen, no team wants to be in pure knockout football at the first hurdle. Tyrone are no different to that. Theyâd much rather be going through the front door but Ulster is so tough that they find it hard to do that.
Thats not what some tyrone players believe.
Ulster is only tough because they are not good at beating inferior teams.
But they werenât vastly superior to that Derry team, that Derry team had some fantastic footballers in it - Paddy Bradley, Sean Marty Lockhart, Enda Muldoon etc. They were a team who were regularly in Div 1, appeared in All Ireland qfs and semi-finals.
As I said earlier, itâs very obvious you know little about football given your comments about Down earlier and Fermanaghâs âfluke runâ.
What inhibited Tyrone was having to go full tilt from May every year, four of those teams beat your beloved Kerry in knockout Championship football and they were all battling it out against each other at the beginning of May every year. Itâs attritional, it takes it out of you. Kerry would know anything about that as they only meet fodder until the join the rest of the country in July.
Are you saying certain Tyrone players deliberately go out to lose games in Ulster?
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Yet Kerry were knocked out in Championship football by four of these teams, these teams all have to play against each other from early May, when you have to go from early May to mid September at a high level then itâs attritional in contrast with teams who only have to peak for 6 weeks in the season.
Ulster teams donât have the luxury of playing inferior teams, itâs serious football.
An awful pain in the ass walking up to 100 unread posts, which appear to be somewhat repetetive.
But I remember that day alright. Who is this tanned, blonde spice boy in the homo-erotic jersey I thought to myself. Strimmer McArdle will sort him out good and proper. Little did i know of the exhibition that was about to unfold.
Look you can beat around it all you want between 04 to the emergence of the Donegal side in 2011 that beat Tyrone every time they met there was not a single team from Ulster that Tyrone side shouldnât have been beating comfortably. They were vastly superior to all the teams but managed to struggle against these sides regularly.
This is my new favorite thread. Sorry Limerick GAA fans.
Yeah of course itâs just personal choice, but your logic in saying that there was no question about the decision and that a large factor was Browne kept going when legs were gone and Forde gave up made no sense to me. Youâre even saying now that his legs werenât gone when he retired at 29 and he just didnât want to carry Tipp anymore, but yet use leadership as a quality to rate him higher.
Iâd obviously rate Forde higher, main reasons being he carried Wexford on his own in some really big games. His performance when Wexford were ten down to Meath and came back to win was unreal. The day against offaly scoring 2-10, completely unplayable. And thatâs to name just 2. Same for some club games against him, he was a one man force.
Browne had been struggling with injuries when retired. Think it had something to do with Division 4 counties being excluded from the qualifiers as well, was that 2007?
I wouldnât be payong too much heed in fordes 4-5 against galway. Wexford were cough i believe cough cough 10/1 to win that day.