Martin was very weak last night. Kenny had him on the ropes a few times and he didn’t handle it well. He was a complete mess for the first hour and a half and was mugged off by Adams when he went on the offence. He only recovered late on when he took a few easy digs at the weakest link, Baldy Burton.
Wow!
Can I hang around with you lads?
No idea. It’s opponents say none ( equal in goings and outgoings) it’s proponents Say it will deliver hundreds of millions in the short term. Not that it has anything to do with with rocko’s revisionism on last night. Again. Stephen Donnelly led a charge on finance. Gerry was inconsequential in this and RBB was poor at the start and looked out of his depth.
Not sure what your beef is here. We are discussing Rocko’s nonsense about the start. With regard to Adams, he started by cleverly bringing his response back to the original question that both Kenny and Burton had neglected to answer, that of how we could trust people. Martin then smashed him in the face with the ‘how can you trust a man who has lied about being in the ra…’ Water off a ducks to shinners but cementing the i’ll never vote for sf with him in charge camp’.
As for his overall performance, he had the same killer line twice about the Three amigos but he was appallingly poor on detail with his plans. He was reduced to bumbling uncle status twice.
2 Likes
He owned the floor on health.
IW is a cost to the exchequer and will continue to be so. So getting rid if the tax and the quango will boost the coffers
3 Likes
RTÉ are a joke.
It’s revolutionary thinking according to Rocko
Michael has a worse haircut than me, and that’s saying something. If there’s one thing worse than a combover it’s a comb forward.
The performances in the debate are irrelevant.
I was answering @Locke’s question about how SF and AAA would pay for the additional Gardaí.
The answer to that is that they are not proposing to spend €2.6B - €3.6B on getting rid of USC. Sinn Féin’s USC adjustment is very minor. It costs less than €100m (or less than 3% of the FG/Labour proposal).
Cutting water and property taxes costs €700m.
So the government reckon they can cut €3B or so in taxes. SF reckon they should cut less than €1B. That’s quite a marked difference in policy and explains why SF have more money to spend on public services.
All parties have about €500m in additional tax income they want to achieve from wealth taxes, wealth levies, sugar taxes etc.
The Social Democrats are much closer to the SF position than the government position. Apologies if that doesn’t suit your worldview.
4 Likes
Please see my handy table above, though it excludes AAA/PBP as I was lazy.
The tax cuts proposed by SF are very modest. The Social Democrats are cutting water charges (which is most of what SF are proposing in tax cuts). The real difference is on USC where SF have a very minor adjustment proposed but because it’s there it’s causing the likes of @juhniallio to claim they’re doing the same as FG, FF and Labour.
1 Like
Sorry for the late notification, pal, but my head nearly fell off laughing at this comment.
It says a lot about the state of politics in this country when the perceived “winner” of a leader’s debate is the fucking moderator.
As for the debate itself - very poor from Burton, reasonable from Donnelly and the rest of them played to type and showed little substance.
You tried to link Adams and RBB to Donnelly’s stellar early work on finance. Neither RBb nor adams were convincing financially, Donnelly was emphatic. You said gerry talked about the folly of tax cutting and have outlined the 3/4 billion in tax cuts proposed by him.
If what you say is true Art, why are the parties planning on cutting the water tax putting it in as a cost of a couple of hundred million or so?
I find it ridiculously twee the reaction Daly is getting for doing her job… just shows how low the standards are that people are raving about this wan for merely doing her job.
1 Like
I didn’t. You chose to read that into what I was saying.
Locke asked where SF and AAA would get the money for the spending that they were proposing. He also told us he missed the first half of the debate. I simply pointed out that the first half outlined the differing taxation policies and that SF, AAA and Social Democrats are all proposing significantly lower tax cuts than FF/FG/Labour.
It suits you to paint all the policies with the same brush. But the reality is that Labour’s policies are at a distant remove from any of the real left-wing groupings. The Social Democrats have outflanked them way over to the left, and SF and AAA have remained way on the left of them.
If you can’t see the difference between €3B of tax cuts proposed by 3 parties and <€1B of tax cuts proposed by another 3 parties then you’re just not looking.
3 Likes
lol