Limerick GAA - We get knocked down 🐐

Three years for Teege is a real vote of confidence, it has given me absolute belief that we will win an AI in the next few years.

The preparation of the team has been excellent. Played four games, three against top opposition, had the winning of all of them. Small things stopped us against Cork & KK and you would go out the next day confident of getting a result against anyone. Team and management know they can win, it’s reflected in how the team has lined out - there was no stifling the opposition’s centre-back, no third midfielders, sweepers, we played to our own strengths, with players playing in their best positions.

When you look at bolstering the panel, you look at the team structurally and the age profile of the players. The defence and midfield is largely older, Hickey, Condon, O’Mahoney and James Ryan from the 2005 minor team, Wayne Mac a year older again, they are at the age now where they are at their prime. The half-back line is the line that needs most attention. You’d love the luxury of playing Hickey at centre-back but it’s his man-marking qualites that stood supreme this year, he had Pat Horgan, TJ Reid and Liam Óg McGovern all in his arse-pocket, which is some going in fairness. I also think the altitude limit put on him as a corner-back does him the world of good as he is liable to take too much out of the ball. Wayne Mac has improved this year in that sense - always chosing to look up and deliver good ball direct to the forwards. POB and GOM endured the most criticism and it was warranted. I was surprised that Tom Ryan didn’t see action in the half-back line at some stage, would like to see a good bit of himself, Dempsey, Morrissey, James O’Brien and Richie English in the league. We have very little cover across the full-back line actually, Steve Walsh was good when he came on against Wexford but is older than any of the the current incumbents. No one else has seen enough action at this level.

In the forwards Hannon, Dowling, Downes and Mulcahy would have been members of the 2011 U21 side and all have time on their side from that point of view. The edge of the square role depends on how Downes shapes up next year. Accuracy and touch, both of which he has had in spades in previous years, departed him in 2014. Lacks that bit of cuteness that Dowling has to wrong-foot a full-back but has bags more pace to roast one if isolated. A very powerful runner, he should be positioned and encouraged to turn and put the head down as much as possible tbh, in the Wexford match in particular he was too eager to fire over the point, snatched at shots and didn’t get on the score-sheet at all. He can play corner-forward, but I don’t think being on the wing suits him at all - if you bring him out of the full-forward line it has to be to 11. Hannon’s improvement over the course of the season bodes very well for our chances in the coming years and he repaid in spades the faith that TJ showed in him after the Munster Final. Mulcahy has had a very good year: playing almost as a midfielder within the forwards, he is superb at getting onto broken ball and can be brave as hell to get up to break it himself against much bigger men. Pops over scores with ease, great man to keep the score-board ticking over. Of the rest, O’Grady probably doesn’t have very long left, will be up to himself as to whether he stays on for another go. Breen does have a few years still to go and had a good year overall. A pity he doesn’t play forwards for the club as more than anyone this year he showed an instinct and ability to run at goals but doesn’t have the shot to bury the chances enough of time. Think we were unlucky with the forward cover this year as both Reidy and Adrian Breen got injured? I didn’t see Allis in the league, was abroad for the duration, struck me as an excellent player underage but hasn’t transferred it to senior. Missing an athlete in the half-forward line, someone who will just run all day, as well as an out-and-out goal-scorer closer to the posts.

Goals. We have to start scoring goals.

Hickey has been magnificent at corner back and I’d be wary of disrupting that line by moving him. Clearly he’s capable of excelling in the half back line too though. Say you keep Hickey at 4 and move McNamara to 5, who would be viable centre back candidates, @glasagusban et al? Is this Morrissey chap worth a shot there?

Nice dig at Tipp there at the start of your second paragraph, @The Lopper.

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Morrissey is a fine young hurler. Not the most mobile, but strong in the air, in the tackle and on the ball. I always felt his best position was actually full-back but, obviously, there won’t be a vacancy there any time soon.

He’s been played all-over the field for his club and Limerick underage teams. He was full-forward as a minor and in 3 years as an U21 he’s played full-back, wing-forward and wing-back. The current management seem to see him as a wing-back and that’s where he may settle. However, they also see Tom Ryan as a half-forward when all his club and underage hurling was spent at midfield or wing-back.

[QUOTE=“Bartosz Bereszynskiego, post: 999515, member: 9”]Nice dig at Tipp there at the start of your second paragraph, @The Lopper.

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It was good to finally beat a top team in Thurles again. Really made my July.

[QUOTE=“ciarancareyshurlingarmy, post: 999427, member: 464”]Not much on tv last night and we watched the second half of the Tipp game to cheer us up.

James Ryan & Paul Browne ran the show, Cork could ruin Tipp in midfield.

Bonner had Wayne Mac for dinner, at one stage he won 5 balls in a row, including one where Wayne went for the all-out shoulder while he was on the wrong side which helped drive Bonner towards goal. We need a 6 alright, possibly Wayne to 5.

Duignan has become a bona fide Limerick fan this year.

Hickey is likely to be captain next year.[/QUOTE]
We were missing Woodlock that day against Limerick though who is our main workhorse

Ye’re midfield was very weak that day and was the losing of the game for ye. That and Hickey completely nullifying McGrath. Presume ye’ll have two different mids for Cork? Barry full back would release Maher to 6 would release Maher eile to midfield with Woodluck -our pair wouldn’t have dominated those two so easily.

Breen plays there for the club, so does Nickie Quaid.

[QUOTE=“Elvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 999516, member: 1624”]Morrissey is a fine young hurler. Not the most mobile, but strong in the air, in the tackle and on the ball. I always felt his best position was actually full-back but, obviously, there won’t be a vacancy there any time soon.

He’s been played all-over the field for his club and Limerick underage teams. He was full-forward as a minor and in 3 years as an U21 he’s played full-back, wing-forward and wing-back. The current management seem to see him as a wing-back and that’s where he may settle. However, they also see Tom Ryan as a half-forward when all his club and underage hurling was spent at midfield or wing-back.[/QUOTE]
Agree. Though I haven’t really seen enough of Morrissey to judge if he is a viable centre back option, he should have been 6 for the 21s this year. Not yet for senior is my view on what I’ve seen. I think Tom Ryan was used as a wing forward because he’s a good player and the management didn’t have faith in anyone else. At least I hope that’s why and management haven’t completely misjudged him. He was a different player altogether in the league at midfield and should be deployed there or wing back. Allis was injured a bit, don’t know if he was really fit to play but surprised he didn’t see some championship game time.

@Bartosz Bereszynskiego[/USER], I don’t really see an option for 6 outside of Hickey and Wayne Mc. Maybe Quaid. I liked Dodge there in 2012 and would have left him there but too late to move him back now. Breen has been the outstanding 6 in Limerick at club level but don’t see him going back there for county. Cathal McNamara is the other best club 6 and had chances with the senior team early this year and then played with the intermediates, doesn’t look an option at the moment. [USER=1557]@The Lopper mentioned James O’Brien for the panel. In 2011 he was imperious at 6 and the best player on the Na P team when they won Munster, was good at u21 level too. I was sure at that stage he’d be 6 for Limerick by now. He was injured subsequently and hasn’t gotten back to that form though and is now wing back at club and not outstanding. A bit of foresight would see him brought into the intermediate set up and a focus on him gaining an extra yard of pace and return to past form would see him as a decent panel option for limerick. He may simply be too tall to be good enough on the ground as an intercounty half back though. There have to be a few more players like him around that have slipped through the net that could be developed in a decent intermediate set up, Robbie Egan another maybe. Of course that would require a decent intermediate set up with a focus on developing players…

Bally 11-9 Drom

Great call @manbehindthewire

Ah the Nicky Quaid to centre back chestnut

[QUOTE=“TreatyStones, post: 999763, member: 1786”]Bally 11-9 Drom

Great call @manbehindthewire[/QUOTE]
Probably the worst thing that could have happened every other team in the county!! They must have had 20+ wides. They were missing Stack, Stokes, Egan, Donnelly and Brosnan!!

Drom had 20+ wides?

With all the praise Hickey is getting for the great performances, John allen must wonder what the fcuk he was at playing him up in the
forwards last year.

Must have been dat easily, 'twas daylight robbery really!!

I didn’t say that did I? I said he plays there for his club. He plays well there too. And he was an exceptional wing back for the Limerick U-21’s. Multi talented he is.

you could play breen wing back but not centre back

if you wanted to move hickey out you could try paul browne in the corner and give cian lynch a shot at midfield

when did he play wing back for the limerick 21`s?

2009 & 2010 v Clare

[QUOTE=“twiceasnice97, post: 1000056, member: 1061”]you could play breen wing back but not centre back

if you wanted to move hickey out you could try paul browne in the corner and give cian lynch a shot at midfield[/QUOTE]
That’s possible but very experimental. Browne could play the Hickey role in following a man out the field but he’d be in trouble marking a big forward. Way too early for Cian Lynch at midfield, despite some flashes of his talent he was ate by Clare there in the 21s game this year. It’s probably not his long term position but corner forward is the place to try him this year. We need to add a player there and him and Kevin O’Brien seem the best bets to me. I’d simply leave Breen at wing forward and see if anything can be done about his fading out of games after great starts.