Had the auld fella with me.
He is a hurling snob, managed to stay for the first half of the football before he said he couldnāt watch any more and demanded I drive him home. He proudly declared thatāll be the only football match heāll see this year in the flesh. :oops:
[QUOTE=ādodgy-keeper, post: 1103533, member: 1552ā]Had the auld fella with me.
He is a hurling snob, managed to stay for the first half of the football before he said he couldnāt watch any more and demanded I drive him home. He proudly declared thatāll be the only football match heāll see this year in the flesh. :oops:[/QUOTE]
Christ
[QUOTE=ādodgy-keeper, post: 1103533, member: 1552ā]Had the auld fella with me.
He is a hurling snob, managed to stay for the first half of the football before he said he couldnāt watch any more and demanded I drive him home. He proudly declared thatāll be the only football match heāll see this year in the flesh. :oops:[/QUOTE]
Your old man sounds an all-right type. 
He sounds like a right cunt
[QUOTE=āBreaking my balls, post: 1103494, member: 2493ā]I said something similar weeks ago. He coughs up too many scores. I agree he is not as prone to mistakes come Championship but he still coughs up a point or two from mistakes in most big games. Somebody is going to get squeezed out somewhere and if Wayne continues to play this way it will be him in my opinion.
Hereās one for youā¦what about Paudie OāBrien for a go at no.6? Decent pace for that position, great hurling brain, decent in the air, great distributor. It might be worth a go. I like Wayne but I think big teams target him when he is in possession to put him under pressure as he tends to over carry into trouble or give loose passes[/QUOTE]
You must be shitting me.
[QUOTE=āBreaking my balls, post: 1103494, member: 2493ā]I said something similar weeks ago. He coughs up too many scores. I agree he is not as prone to mistakes come Championship but he still coughs up a point or two from mistakes in most big games. Somebody is going to get squeezed out somewhere and if Wayne continues to play this way it will be him in my opinion.
Hereās one for youā¦what about Paudie OāBrien for a go at no.6? Decent pace for that position, great hurling brain, decent in the air, great distributor. It might be worth a go. I like Wayne but I think big teams target him when he is in possession to put him under pressure as he tends to over carry into trouble or give loose passes[/QUOTE]
I agree. The management really need to try one or two others at center back and maybe also at full back. Theyāre going to be left in a very difficult position if they have to make changes in these positions due to injury or otherwise. Dodge is the only other player proven in the CB position at championship level. If Wayne is getting beaten in an important championship game then the one thing that Limerick donāt want is to make 3\4 tactical changes just to move someone in there.
People have mentioned Hannon, Quaid, Paudie and one or two others. At this stage Quaid or Hannon are not going to be moved there, people on here have been mooting them for this position for the last 2 years and it hasnāt happened. Apart from dodge maybe Condon or Paudie would be the logical replacements without too many other tactical changes.
Limerick have a strong panel now and lads may be dropped which will surprise many, particularly in the forwards where the likes of Cian Lynch will be pushing hard for a place. And itās going to be even more competitive next year for places.
We have two viable options at centre-back, Wayne and Dodge, and thatās it. Wayne is handling-error prone but heāll hold the middle, tackle back and pop up with the odd score. Dodge is cuter, sends a different type of ball to the forwards and is more direct than Wayne in that heāll send it forward himself while Wayne tends to lay off ball to his wing-backs or midfielders. Both will give away their share of frees but what centre-back doesnāt?
I wouldnāt be hugely concerned here. There are bigger worries. God help is if Richie McCarthy is injured or cleaned as we have no replacement full back. Indeed, panel wise, weāre top-heavy with midfielders/forwards and are using players converted from these positions as cover in defence, Allis, King, & S. OāBrien for example.
Ryan is obviously looking to keep the forwards rotating during games. Iām not sure if this is the best tactic. If you have the beatings of your immediate opponent, you maximise your advantage and keep attacking the weakness. Weāve tended to lump ball on the full-forward line in a few games to date and need to be a bit cleverer and more varied in our approach or weāll become an easy team to shut down if weāre not careful.
One of the most impressive subs last year was Tom Ryan. Is he away/injured/dropped/sulk off???
Tom Ryan isnāt hurling this year.
[QUOTE=āElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 1103825, member: 1624ā]We have two viable options at centre-back, Wayne and Dodge, and thatās it. Wayne is handling-error prone but heāll hold the middle, tackle back and pop up with the odd score. Dodge is cuter, sends a different type of ball to the forwards and is more direct than Wayne in that heāll send it forward himself while Wayne tends to lay off ball to his wing-backs or midfielders. Both will give away their share of frees but what centre-back doesnāt?
I wouldnāt be hugely concerned here. There are bigger worries.
Iād be hugely concerned of Dodge has to play championship at 6. His last two games in croker he has clearly not lasted the pace. Surely at 35 he is only good for 20 mins in the forwards or maybe as a sweeper in the backs at a stretch but lining him up at 6 is a recipe for disaster.[/QUOTE]
Henry Martin on twitter.
Liam Dunne will be gutted not to get something from the game. The Karma for Gary Kirby incident continues to haunt him against Limerick
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D[/QUOTE]
Karma for what? Dunne pulled on the ball and Kirby carried on playing. Sour grapes from Henry.
Whatās that now?
[QUOTE=āElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 1103825, member: 1624ā]We have two viable options at centre-back, Wayne and Dodge, and thatās it. Wayne is handling-error prone but heāll hold the middle, tackle back and pop up with the odd score. Dodge is cuter, sends a different type of ball to the forwards and is more direct than Wayne in that heāll send it forward himself while Wayne tends to lay off ball to his wing-backs or midfielders. Both will give away their share of frees but what centre-back doesnāt?
I wouldnāt be hugely concerned here. There are bigger worries. God help is if Richie McCarthy is injured or cleaned as we have no replacement full back. Indeed, panel wise, weāre top-heavy with midfielders/forwards and are using players converted from these positions as cover in defence, Allis, King, & S. OāBrien for example.
Ryan is obviously looking to keep the forwards rotating during games. Iām not sure if this is the best tactic. If you have the beatings of your immediate opponent, you maximise your advantage and keep attacking the weakness. Weāve tended to lump ball on the full-forward line in a few games to date and need to be a bit cleverer and more varied in our approach or weāll become an easy team to shut down if weāre not careful.[/QUOTE]
I canāt see how in the name of God lads would mention Paudie for 6, heās not even a wing back for me. Heās a mid, and while he is an excellent player, you want your 6 to command the middle, be dominant in the air, and deliver excellent ball forward, none of those are Paudieās strengths.
I donāt think dodge has 70 mins in him and Iām beginning to think the last 25 mins as an impact sub at wing forward might be his role. I liked him at 6 a couple seasons back and would never have moved him out of there and would have left wayne at 5 too. A good high impact sub for Breen maybe. Iād lean towards having him on the field to do the right thing and drive the team on on the home stretch than have to replace him.
Iād have had hickey and or Quaid at 6 for this league but management wonāt move either now I reckon. Last weeks game was a must win and Hannon is only just back, but maybe he should be looked at for 6 for the last two league games.
I wayne had to go off God knows what theyād do. Looks like condon is the back up full back and maybe centre back now as well. OāLoughlin is there also, Dan Morrissey, neither really shown theyāre up to this level yet.
[QUOTE=āglasagusban, post: 1103931, member: 1533ā]I canāt see how in the name of God lads would mention Paudie for 6, heās not even a wing back for me. Heās a mid, and while he is an excellent player, you want your 6 to command the middle, be dominant in the air, and deliver excellent ball forward, none of those are Paudieās strengths.
I donāt think dodge has 70 mins in him and Iām beginning to think the last 25 mins as an impact sub at wing forward might be his role. I liked him at 6 a couple seasons back and would never have moved him out of there and would have left wayne at 5 too. A good high impact sub for Breen maybe. Iād lean towards having him on the field to do the right thing and drive the team on on the home stretch than have to replace him.
Iād have had hickey and or Quaid at 6 for this league but management wonāt move either now I reckon. Last weeks game was a must win and Hannon is only just back, but maybe he should be looked at for 6 for the last two league games.
I wayne had to go off God knows what theyād do. Looks like condon is the back up full back and maybe centre back now as well. OāLoughlin is there also, Dan Morrissey, neither really shown theyāre up to this level yet.[/QUOTE]
I was with you all the way until you mentioned alternatives. Quaid will never be an inter-county 6. Look at him playing there for Effin the last 2-3 years; he sends good ball forward, fair enough, but spends half the game on his arse. His footwork is poor and 3 Limerick managers have spent time bringing Christy OāConnor in to coach him on same and thatās only to cover the small square. Heād be destroyed out the field.
Hickey is a possibility and I thought years ago that heād ultimately end up there. Doesnāt look likely anymore though.
I cannot get why people think Hannon would make a centre-back. Is it because he has good wrists, ball-skills and physique? He has difficulty concentrating and thatās the greatest no-no of all for a 6. Positionally, I believe heās suspect and I think his future role will be at 11, as he needs to be centrally involved in the play to get the most out of him. I saw him there twice at inter-county level for Limerick; as a minor v Kerry, on a night when we were a width of a goalpost from being beaten by them, and as an U21 v Tipp in 2012. He was opened on both nights. He doesnāt play there for club, college or county. Centre-back is a position you need to be hurling in all the time and because a guy is a good natural hurler it doesnāt automatically follow that he can play at 6.
Henry Martin on twitter.
Liam Dunne will be gutted not to get something from the game. The Karma for Gary Kirby incident continues to haunt him against Limerick
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D[/QUOTE]
i wonder what incident karma is haunting SLR for
[QUOTE=āElvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 1103943, member: 1624ā]I was with you all the way until you mentioned alternatives. Quaid will never be an inter-county 6. Look at him playing there for Effin the last 2-3 years; he sends good ball forward, fair enough, but spends half the game on his arse. His footwork is poor and 3 Limerick managers have spent time bringing Christy OāConnor in to coach him on same and thatās only to cover the small square. Heād be destroyed out the field.
Hickey is a possibility and I thought years ago that heād ultimately end up there. Doesnāt look likely anymore though.
I cannot get why people think Hannon would make a centre-back. Is it because he has good wrists, ball-skills and physique? He has difficulty concentrating and thatās the greatest no-no of all for a 6. Positionally, I believe heās suspect and I think his future role will be at 11, as he needs to be centrally involved in the play to get the most out of him. I saw him there twice at inter-county level for Limerick; as a minor v Kerry, on a night when we were a width of a goalpost from being beaten by them, and as an U21 v Tipp in 2012. He was opened on both nights. He doesnāt play there for club, college or county. Centre-back is a position you need to be hurling in all the time and because a guy is a good natural hurler it doesnāt automatically follow that he can play at 6.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned those as weāre scraping the bottom of the barrel for genuine options, I donāt see who else weāre going to try there. Hannon is physical, mobile, good in the air, and a brilliant hurler, he all the attributes, but I agree with you and think heās naturally a forward. Personally Iād hickey but I know plenty donāt agree.
Lads, the half-back line in general is a huge worry, not just at 6 though. I wouldnāt be too worried by Wayne if he had two dominant wing-backs beside him. But he doesnāt. We have no aerial powerhouse in the half-back line in the mould of Foley, Geary, Lawlor who would pluck ball after ball from the sky. Theyāre all decent players in their own right but itās the most important position on the pitch with regard to aerial ability, you canāt afford to get cleaned out.
People mention Quaid because he is powerful in the air. Heās so good under a high ball and heās a lovely hurlerā¦ true, he doesnāt have a lot of pace and might be in trouble by some quick, light-footed fucker running around him but surely he was worth a go at some stage because I donāt see anybody else? Dodge is alright but itās a short-term solution at best and he never exactly cleaned players out in the air either. The other players in the club championship who are very strong in the air mightnāt be good enough in other aspects of their game- the likes of Diarmuid Byrnes, Cathal McNamara, thereās probably a couple of others Iām not thinking of.
I would be shocked if Paudie OāBrien was ever started at 6 for Limerick. He shouldnāt start at wing-back imoā¦ Iām a huge fan of his, I was calling for his inclusion a good bit before he made the panel but that was because of his performances at midfield. Iād rather have him in the forwards that in the backs tbh, because itās his scoring ability that really sets him apart. I like Condon on the wing though.
Iād agree with glas about Hickey, he is the one other player who brings a bit of physicality and aerial ability and would be class somewhere in the half-back line but he played so well inside last year and is by far our best man marker- youāre robbing Peter to pay Paul. I personally would start Alan Dempsey and move Hickey out, I rate him very very highly, but TJ obviously doesnāt agree, heās not even on the panel.
Dan Morrissey with a bit of time could be of the required standard, Gavin is always an option but heās so light, the rest of the line needs to be strong if heās there, Allis isnāt a wing-back imo, Seanie OāBrien is an interesting one, willing to see how that works. Iād seriously think about moving Breen back if we think we have enough forwards although would he be able to track the running of pacy wing-forwards?
Agree with Elvis about Hannon- stick him at centre-forward, not sure he is suited to centre-back on the intercounty stage.
If Richie gets injured, Iād prefer to have Richie English than anybody else in Limerick at 3, and heās young, inexperienced, not ideal. I thought he did well for the 21s last year though. In reality, I imagine that Condon would probably move there? Definitely not ideal and it is something we need to work on. But for the wing-back positions, weāre maybe waiting for the likes of Ronan Lynch, Andrew La Touche Cosgrave and Colin Ryan to possibly come through and the latter two are definitely better in attack in my view.
On the minors coming though, ALTC has looked great at half back. The best game
On the minors coming through and half backs, ALTC has looked the business at half back when Iāve seen him. The best game ive seen lynch play was at 6 playing for ardscoil in a harry semi list to nenagh two years ago, playing well above his age grade. But he doesnāt like 6 and plays better at midfield or half forward so likely thatās where heāll end up, maybe thatāll change. He might be wasted as a wing back. I wouldnāt be relying on any of them to fix the senior half back line any time soon.
Kevin OāDonnell could well come in at wing back. But i donāt think we will see anyone other than wayne/dodge/condon at 6 this summer, and the latter two only in case of emergency.
Whatās Kevin Downesā injury?