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#121

Oh god not more from him… But but but trump


#122

Everybody suffered in the recession. Nobody lost their job in Ireland because they were a white, straight man. Feminism, as the clip which I linked to earlier shows, is also about men not having to feel they must go into certain traditionally “male” trades or professions. Why should men not be teachers or nurses or carers? Every traditionally “female” job can be done just as well by men.

White male identity politics is indivisible from Trump, Brexit, and the rise of the far right in Europe and elsewhere. White male identity politics is an explicit and angry reaction against the increasing rights recognition of and visibility of racial, ethnic and religious minorities, women and LGBT people. It’s a reaction against the voices of those people and groups rightly growing ever louder and more unapologetic.

In all of it is a reaction against “political correctness” (again a deliberately pejorative term). “Political correctness”, if people want to use that term, is an inherently good thing. It’s fundamentally based on respecting others. If you don’t see imagined victimhood in the white male identity politics of Trump, Brexit and the far right in Europe and elsewhere, you’re not so much not looking hard as not looking at all, because it is the essential fabric of this type of politics. Ireland has got off very lightly so far in that we don’t have a significant far right, but be in no doubt there are no shortage of dangerous actors both internal and external trying to stir up troube and create a situation where the growth of a far right could happen. These people are waging a mass scale propaganda war online.

The idea that white males should engage in identity politics is indeed utterly laughable to me, because the increase in rights for minority and marginalised groups in no way whatsoever threatens their rights. There is literally no need whatsoever for white straight male identity politics. Yet it not only exists, it’s booming.

Nowhere do white, straight men lose their jobs or get discriminated against because they are white straight men. White, straight men are the least oppressed people on earth.

But for white, straight men who engage in identity politics, even having the same rights as minorities and traditionally marginalised groups cannot not good enough for them, because their sense of identity depends on a sense of them being superior to these groups, that they should have certain privileges that others don’t. For them an increase in the rights of the marginalised and/or minorities equals a diminution of their rights. That’s self-evident bullshit. It’s the same mindset as hardline unionism in the north or pro-apartheid white South Africans.

Thus they constantly whinge about feminism, immigrants, “political correctness”, or anything which vaguely represents the upholding of the rights of the marginalised or minorities. These sort of neurotic and paranoid views are extremely widespread on this forum. Of course what is at the heart of is the playing of gullible young men by con artist politicians who see votes in whipping up this imagined victimhood, and by an endless army of right wing media contrarians who specialise in lies and bullshit and who themselves are total opportunists.

This has been the right’s strategy for decades - to transform politics into an imagined culture war in which the oppressors become the oppresssed. And now, it’s literally all that right-wing politics has left, because right-wing politics of the type practised by the Tories and Republicans has been an unmitigated economic failure, dividing populations into an oligarchic, rent-seeking class who rule the roost, and an exploited class who suffer from declining wages, increasing job insecurity, lack of affordable housing, healthcare and education, and the demolition of labour laws.


#123

:rofl: citizen journalism


#124

But that’s actually what a lot of Trump supporters would genuinely like to do.

Here’s a style guide written by the founder of the far right site the “Daily Stormer”, Andrew Anglin.


#125

You’re actully a Gemma O’Doherty fan though, mate, aren’t you?

Probably the only woman in the world you don’t have a paranoid hatred for, well, maybe Marine Le Pen and your mam.


#126

:rofl:


#127

Woah, @maroonandwhite has been totally red pilled, or something.


#128

Feminists don’t exactly get on with transgender folks either. The left is a splintered smattering of ideologies who’s primary motivation is to blame others first. Ironically it is perpetuated by power hungry people who maintain a myth that subsets or groupings of people are oppressed.


#129

The proper lefty thinkers wouldn’t agree with several strains of feminism. As you say men had significant hardship over the years and going centuries back were being slaughtered on battlefields. Because of classim.


#130

Not only did men die in those wars, they were the cause of them.

You supported the Iraq War - a war which utterly ravaged the Middle East, was waged on transparently false premises, and whose invading troops were overwhelmingly drawn from the lowest socio-economic groupings in the US and Britain.

That’s classism, or class warfare, right there.


#131

You just don’t seem to get it.


#132

Fella


#133

All joking aside. What are wimmin up to with their eyebrows these days? Give them an inch and they take a yard


#134

Tell me more about these dangerous actors in Ireland waging a massive propaganda war in order to foment hate. I’ve never seen any examples of this(tfk aside) and reckon I’m on the internet a fair bit. Not messing btw.


#135

Who? A splinter group? Where do I sign up?


#136

Ah it’s gone silly. They start plucking them and then end up trimming them til there’s nothing left. They end up drawing them on then. Silly stuff. Alarmingly, the barber trimmed mine last time I was there.


#137

This lad had the same question.


#138

Aye, barber did the same- I may have mentioned that she’s a fine mare. I just said, “if you have to ask…”


#139

When looking at the presence of the far-right in Ireland you have to understand that there’s a nexus between a whole host of different right-wing and far right issues - anti-abortion, anti-immigration, anti-EU, anti-vaccine, anti-LGBT, pro-Brexit, pro-climate change denial, anti-welfare state, pro-Trump, pro-Russia, pro-the European far right etc. Not all far right actors in Ireland will concentrate on all these things but there’s a distinct common thread linking them all.

Ireland has been an outlier so far in Europe in that the far right has made no headway at all in party politics, but iff that continues to be the case, it won’t be for the want of trying by far right actors.

Gemma O’Doherty is currently the most prominent. It’s been obvious for probably three years at least that she has been moving in a far right direction but she has gone full far right since her failure to get a nomination for the presidency. A quick dig into her Twitter feed is very instructive if you haven’t been paying attention to what she’s been up to. She’s looking to carve out a niche for herself as an Irish Alex Jones. She’s genuinely crazy.

Leo Sherlock’s theliberal.ie masquerades as a news website but is in fact a right wing propaganda site, which plagiarises and (very badly) repackages news stories from “mainstream” outlets and puts a far right-wing slant on them. Sherlock paid damages these outlets to settle breaches of copyright. The site engages in what pretty much amounts to fraud by running fake competitions on Facebook in order to attract “likes”, though most of its “likes” on Facebook have likely been bought.

This page documents the kind of shit Sherlock gets up to.
https://twitter.com/theliberal_x?lang=en

There’s a guy from Dublin called Rowan Croft - https://twitter.com/rowanwcroft - who was a leading figure in a far right propaganda tour of Ireland called Grand Torino involving Canadian far right “personality” Lauren Southern, who is banned from entering the UK.

Croft has a YouTube channel. In one of his videos b, he bizarrely films himself walking around a deserted Rooskey, Co. Roscommon like a pound shop Conor McGregor waffling hate speech against immigrants into his phone.

These were some of the comments underneath the video on YouTube:

Surprise surprise, there was an arson attack on the hotel earmarked by direct provision in the town the other night, which follows hot on the heels of a similar arson attack in Moville in Donegal. The cops should be all over this guy.

Stefan Molyneux - an extreme right pseudo-“intellectual” born in Ireland but who lives in Canada. He’s widely quoted by far right Irish social media accounts, probably more than anybody else at the moment.

Irish journalist Gavin Sheridan has done good work on exposing the nexus between a lot of these far right actors. Google and Facebook ban 8th Amendment referendum advertising because their platforms were being hijacked by far right propaganda was a clear sign that the international far right are interested in Ireland. Sheridan has done some good podcasts on this. The first one below is with Ken Early of Second Captains, the second is a free Irish Times podcast.
https://www.secondcaptains.com/2018/05/04/episode-1154-the-8th-referendum-propaganda-war-with-gavin-sheridan/

Internet forums are a battleground.
“Political Irish” is the current house forum of the far right in Ireland. https://www.politicalirish.com/

Politics.ie has a slightly more diverse clientele but it largely descended into a far right sewer several years ago.

After Hours which is the most popular forum on Boards.ie has been under sustained attack by far right troll accounts for quite a while now. A lot get banned, then simply re-register before gettng banned again and starting the same process again.

There’s a rag tag bunch of far right groups in Ireland and I’d wager almost every member of them is on the internet amplifying their message, be it on forums, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook etc.

Since Lucinda Creighton left Renua, they have pretty much gravitated to being quasi-far right. I’ve little time for Creighton but one thing she isn’t is a fascist. Renua has gone full dog whistle since she left.

Then there’s Justin Barrett’s “National Party”, “Identity Ireland”, there was the attempt to start a branch of the German neo-Nazi movement “Pegida” in 2016. The “Irexit Freedom Party” is a thinly disguised creation of outside actors allying with far right actors in Ireland.
The “Irish Proud Boys” are a branch of the “Proud Boys” who are a violent far right group started by a guy called Gavin McInnes who is a leading far right “personality” in the US.


“Genreration Identity UK and Ireland” which is run by an Irish woman, Damhnait McKenna, is a branch of the far right “Identitarian” movement.

The “Immigration Control Platform” of Aine Ni Chonaill is still around. http://www.immigrationcontrol.org/

I’d consider the following mainstream journalists or commentators to be allies of the far right - they may not give outright support to them but they do focus on the same issues the far right likes to focus on:

John Waters (who has pretty much gone full Nazi)
Ian O’Doherty (not far right but writes frequently about their hobby horse issues in a way they would admire)
Larissa Nolan (contrarian fake 'liberal")
Eilis O’Hanlon (contrarian anti-“PC”)
Alive Newspaper
Irish Catholic newspaper
Declan Ganley
John McGuirk (essentially Goebbels)
David Quinn (the “respectable” face of backward theocratic Ireland)
Keith Mills (the aggressively anti-gay marriage gay man)
Paddy Manning (same as Mills)
Breda O’Brien (the friendly face of backward Ireland)
Maria Steen (Opus Dei’s mouthpiece)
George Hook (doesn’t blame rape victims except when he does)
Hermann Kelly (UKIP puppet)
Ruth Dudley Edwards (imperialist 19th century hankerer)
Wendy Grace (the fresh face of backward Catholic Ireland)
Katie Ascough (same)
Ray Kinsella (Smurfit Business School guy has who has gone full Catholic fundamentalist)

Prominent Irish far right “personalities” include
Kate Bopp (Catholic far right fundie) https://twitter.com/JaneyMack66
Former Fine Gael councillor Brian Murphy (who was recently an outright racist recently banned from Twitter)
Ben Gilroy (Freemen On The Land, who is also involved in pushing the quck MMS Bleach “cure” for autism to gullible people, he has engaged in personal physical threats to people who have spoken out against him - he’s basically a thug. Gilroy is heavily involved with the so called Irish “Yellow Vest” movement, which is largely a trojan horse for far right politics).

Far right Irish video bloggers include:
“The Don” YouTube channel


“Critiqued” Youtube channel

“Computing Forever” Youtube Channel

Then there’s the whole Irish far right Twitter sock puppet thing. There are certainly many hundreds and likely several thousand accounts like the below (about five of the below are definitely real people, but the rest are either bots or sock puppets). A dead giveaway of an “Irish” far right Twitter account is that it includes an Irish flag in its name, in a similar manner to how pro-Trump sock puppets include an American flag. They often have profile pictures of Michael Collins or something to do with 1916 or some obscure Irish nationalist figure and these pages usually try to give off an air of creepy Celtic mysticism. Now I can’t say for sure who is operating these accounts, but I’d say many of them are bots operated from the US or Russia, with others being duplicate sock puppet troll acounts operated by real people in the US, Russia, Ireland or elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/IrishNational1

https://twitter.com/irelandaboveall

https://twitter.com/Chieftain110

https://twitter.com/AltviewIreland

https://twitter.com/IrePatriot

https://twitter.com/IrelandThis

https://twitter.com/IrexitFreedom

https://twitter.com/MariaLaoise

https://twitter.com/EiredoGhaeilge

https://twitter.com/Ire201261

https://twitter.com/ComhraDublin

https://twitter.com/GatsbyRewoke

https://twitter.com/MichaelJMcCamle

https://twitter.com/elchopperino

https://twitter.com/MuintirNa

https://twitter.com/naBanbha

https://twitter.com/AllPassingThing

https://twitter.com/CatholicArena

https://twitter.com/EugenReugen

https://twitter.com/DuxNormannorum

https://twitter.com/MacLoegairi

https://twitter.com/F_CKOUTTAHERE

https://twitter.com/Aeri

https://twitter.com/EiredoGhaeilge

https://twitter.com/SonOfHibernia

https://twitter.com/2019Irexit

https://twitter.com/diarmuidmaccana

https://twitter.com/NastyBuck1

https://twitter.com/liam_xrp

https://twitter.com/kezza256

https://twitter.com/NatTradLad

https://twitter.com/mericanopsycho

https://twitter.com/DiglettUltach

https://twitter.com/Irish_agrAryan

https://twitter.com/Thatpearseguy

https://twitter.com/ceithern_

https://twitter.com/paddylepage

https://twitter.com/rayU2Fan

https://twitter.com/SSasanach

https://twitter.com/pogmothoinjack

https://twitter.com/Capt_Ugly

https://twitter.com/neo_gael

https://twitter.com/franciscelt

https://twitter.com/gaeloglach

https://twitter.com/McSchtik

https://twitter.com/EireCalling

https://twitter.com/GaelicFury

https://twitter.com/HeaneySupreme

https://twitter.com/PetRabbitte


#140

You’ll have to get them trimmed every time from now on so, mate. I was assaulted in this way many years ago and now if I forget to ask the fuckers to trim mine they look all bushy after a few weeks.