As opposed to Holistic.
Dublin and Kerry are the top two in the roll of honour in football.
Kilkenny are top of roll honour in hurling.
Invalid comparisons.
Since Harte won his first AI.
The roll of honour reads:
Dublin 4
Kerry 4
Tyrone 3
I fail to see how Harte has in anyway impeded Tyrone, he has overseen a transition where we waved goodbye to our finest generation of players extremely smoothly and brought us back to the top table.
Thats your problem. You fail to see.
I am a pragmatist. I fail to see the delusions of simpletons.
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Since Tyrone won their last All-Ireland in 2008 they’ve had two individual seasons which could be termed poor, 2012 and 2014. But they have rarely been too far away.
Their other seasons worked out as follows:
2009: Ulster champions, All-Ireland semi-finalists, beaten by a better Cork team on the day.
2010: Ulster champions, beaten in pretty much a fluke result by Dublin after dominating the game.
2011: '03-'08 team was in clear decline by then, still only beaten by a last minute goal against Donegal, reached the All-Ireland quarter-final which proved a bridge too far against a much improved Dublin, but still a top 8 team.
2012: Poor season as I have said.
2013: The start of the formation of the current team - League finalists and All-Ireland semi-finalists.
2014: Poor season, didn’t work out.
2015: All-Ireland semi-finalists, probably should have beaten Kerry.
2016: Ulster champions, beaten by a point by Mayo in an effective All-Ireland semi-final which they should probably have edged, could certainly be regarded as being back in the All-Ireland mix by this stage.
As I said, bar 2012 and 2014 which were poor seasons, they’ve still been in or around the fringes of the top table and will be right in the mix for the All-Ireland again next year - in the top 3 contenders I would expect.
That’s decent going for a county who have had to pretty much entirely replace a team since 2011 and a damn sight better than the vast majority of other counties who have gone through a similar process.
Tyrone won the weakest Ulster Championship this year since possibly the 1980’s. It was their first appearance in an Ulster Final in six years since 2010. They also operated in Division 2 of the National League. Tyrone are way off the elite teams. After 115 or so years of failure, they won three All Ireland’s with a one in a lifetime team between 2003-2008. I very much doubt they’ll be adding to that haul anytime soon.
Wow, you convinced me 
As I should, pal, with facts, not nonsense.
No lots of opinion in there.
But your logic Tipp are a top 4 team right now.
Tipp are not a top four team, they’re top 8 at best. They got into an All-Ireland semi-final by beating the weakest provincial champions since Meath in 2010 and were well beaten by a team that put in a very poor performance in the semi-final. That’s opinion, by the way, but an opinion that only a fool would challenge.
But what I posted in my previous post was not opinion.
Your opinion that Tyrone were way off from '09 to '15 is based on deliberately ignoring facts.
Tyrone got handy games and weaker teams to beat too.
Despite media for a couple of years and others thinking they were contenders they were gone by 09 as Cork exposed. And while they reached a semi in 13 it was no lore an achievement than Tipps. Winning Ulsters means f-all.
I would now consider them a tier 2 contender. But only if they get a new voice and keep all the squad.
Winning Ulster means everything, dimwit.
The conversation is on the top teams in Ireland. There is 9 in Ulster.
2 of the teams from Ulster, and never at the same time, have been contenders for the AI in last 10 years. Pretty similar to Munster.
Provincials don’t mean anything
Don’t know what facts you’re looking at.
Tyrone were way off the mark from 2011 to 2015 - they didn’t even make an Ulster Final in any of those five seasons. The invariably exited the championship tamely in each of those five seasons as well
2011 - Beaten by 7 points by Dublin (Quarter Final)
2012 - Beaten by 10 points by Kerry (Round 3 Qualifiers)
2013 - Beaten by 6 points by Mayo (Semi Final)
2014 - Beaten by 3 points by Armagh (Round 2 Qualifiers)
2015 - Beaten by 4 points by Kerry (Semi Final)
Ulster titles were won in 2009 and 2010 but Tyrone were soundly beaten in Croke Park in both years - 5 points by Cork in 2009 semi final and 5 points by Dublin in 2010 quarter final.
Ffs, you took your time 
Jesus, Tyrone were beaten by Armagh.
Thats shit.
Armagh nearly had Donegal out in the QF that year before Donegal went on to take Dublin out.
Armagh had a very impressive Championship campaign in 2014.
Tyrone were not “soundly beaten” in 2010 or 2015, mate, no more than Kerry were soundly beaten by Dublin in 2013.
They utterly dominated Dublin in 2010, it was basically a freak result given the nature of the game and I said so at the time.
Bar a few terrible refereeing calls in last year’s semi-final they would probably have beaten Kerry.
They were beaten in all other years bar 2014 by one of the top two or three elite teams of those years.
Tyrone women are formidable . You can see where Bernadette Devlin came from. There are a few girl schools there that although catholic encourage critical thinking .