Mickey Harte's Red Hand Army 2016

Utter nonsense. Tyrone were a Dads Army team by 2010. They still had something like 8 starters from the 2003 final. When it got to the business end of the game, Tyrone hadn’t the legs or the gas for it anymore and an emerging Dublin side overran them. I was at the game and from what I can recall of it, Sean Cavanagh had a stinker and Tyrone after drawing level about 10 minutes from the end, failed to score again.

Last year, Tyrone huffed and puffed, did a lot of whingeing afterwards but ultimately a Kerry side in third gear had far too much experience and craft and held them at arms length throughout.

Tyrone haven’t been in the shake up since 2008.

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Tyrone shot something like
17 wides v Dubs in 2010 and the clinching goal was a freak . There was little between the teams iirc .

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http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=133088

Here’s a match report from the Dublin v Tyrone 2010 match. Interesting to note that Tyrone went 0-10 to 0-8 ahead 10 minutes into the second half. Over the remaining 25 minutes (plus injury time) Dublin outscored Tyrone by 1-7 to 0-3 with Tyrone failing to score after the 63rd minute.

The Tyrone performance in this match report is variously described as ‘listless’ and ‘out-of-sorts’.

Considering Tyrone effectively went missing for the last half hour, its a little fanciful to say ‘They utterly dominated Dublin in 2010, it was basically a freak result given the nature of the game’.

Clampings galore today.

I was at the game and watched it back twice afterwards, mate.

Tyrone dominated the play and Dublin got poxed lucky. I’ve been going to Dublin games since 1987 and that was by a distance the luckiest championship win they ever had in my time watching.

They shouldn’t have got within six points.

Jesus you talk some shite

I would have expected a more dignified retreat on getting caught out so badly. I was at the game too and I know what I saw. You’ve been caught out with your unfounded assertion that Tyrone “utterly dominated Dublin in 2010, it was basically a freak result given the nature of the game”. If you only register 0-3 over the closing half hour of a game and the opposition in the same period posts 1-7 to win by 5 points, you haven’t utterly dominated the game.

You’re merely grandstanding with sweeping generalisations that it was Dublin’s luckiest championship win since 1987.

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Name me a luckier one.

What was the year that they were down to 13 against Wexford, got the draw and won it with 15 in extra time?

2007?

Final 2011.

Not luckier. Next.

Luck didn’t come into the Dublin v Tyrone game in 2010. As I have already illustrated an ageing Tyrone team had little or nothing left in the tank from 45 minutes on and Dublin ran out 5 point winners.

As regards instances of Dublin riding their luck, its before the timeframe you referred to but its hard to surpass the Leinster Final in 1979 and then the very next game, the semi final in 1979 against Roscommon. A Brian Mullins goal with the last kick of the game beat Offaly by two points in a game that Dublin were absolutely putrid in.

A Michael Finneran goal (which was goal of the year in 1979) put Roscommon one up with about 5 minutes left in the semi final. A minute or two later, Tony McManus butchered another goal chance, when clean through. Dublin got a soft free to level it up and then David Hickey got the winning point.

You haven’t illustrated anything but merely looked at the result and constructed a narrative from it.

Tyrone had 56% possession to Dublin’s 44%, hit 17 wides, hit the crossbar and lost another gilt edged goal chance because of a whistle from Hill 16, while Dublin got a very lucky goal on the break at the absolute key stage of the game.

You also haven’t picked out a luckier Dublin win since 1987, you said I was “grandstanding” but haven’t been able to back that up at all.

The Wexford one from 2010 mentioned is the only contender to rival it which along with the Tyrone match as well as a heavy defeat by Meath and a turgid win over Armagh gives an indication of how unattractive Dublin were for most of that year.

Strangely enough their best performance of the year probably came in the semi-final where they outscored Cork 1-12 to 0-7 from play, but Ross McConnell conceded a stupid penalty and then got himself sent off which destroyed Dublin’s chances.

No need to look at the result and construct a narrative, as I was at the game too. Possession percentages and a high wide tally nothing to do with bad luck. Its what you do with the ball that counts. Tyrone were a spent force with half an hour of the game still to go.

2005 Leinster Final. Laois played Dublin off the pitch for the first 30 minutes of the second half after going in 4 or 5 down at half time. Dublin got two points from a free and a 45 in injury time from Tomas Quinn to level it and then win by a point.

That was a never a '45. The free was also questionable. We were robbed worse in that, than the time Ian Robertson picked the ball clean off the ground. 2004 we fucked away, 2005 fucking hurt.

Not lucky.

I see @Sidney has piped in and surprise surprise, he takes a different view that Dublin weren’t lucky in the 2005 Leinster Final. Laois were robbed blind in 2005 and Dublin were beyond steeped.

The only game that Dublin were seemingly lucky to win in 30 years was a 5 point win in 2010 when the opposition were out on their feet with half an hour to go. Talk about constructing a narrative

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It is what it is, Sidney nor my narrative on it won’t change fuck all.

Mickey McQuillan’s intervention at 7.13 in the 1994 Leinster Final was a slice of good luck for Dublin in a low scoring game which Dublin only won by 1 point - 1-9 to 1-8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgh4C3pb3U

The ultimate outcome was a Dublin win in a replay, but a lacklustre Dublin were very lucky earlier in 1994 as well to get a draw against Kildare in the Leinster Quarter Final which was played on the same Saturday as the Eire v Italy World Cup match.

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I never said that, pal.

Other games they were lucky to win were the 2010 clash against Wexford as I’ve previously stated as well as the 1996 Leinster semi-final against Louth. They weren’t luckier in either than against Tyrone however.

Dublin had got a clear stranglehold on the 1994 Leinster final by the time McQuillan dropped the ball into the net. They were six points up with five or six minutes left and only their own complacency allowed Meath to come back into it. Dublin were definitely the better team overall.

They were lucky enough against Kildare the first day in '94 alright but left no doubt who was the better team in the replay.

Dublin v Laois 2005 was a ding-dong game which could have gone either way. It was one of those games where I’d argue that neither team would have been lucky to win but the loser would have been unlucky, whoever it was.