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[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1083717, member: 2533”]Cork don’t have a superior forward line. I would expect Tyrone to be the top ranked Ulster team in the league this year, they’ve got a decent draw with the games, they seem to be in good shape on the injury and fitness front and they had a good McKenna Cup campaign. A few of last year’s issues seemed to have been ironed out, the defence look settle and secured in comparison to last year. McNulty looks like a great find at midfield which also frees Cavanagh up to offer us a target man up front - something we’ve been badly lacking of late. The half forward line is still a major concern but I’m feeling optimistic.

Monaghan have a strong team out tonight but I think we’ll have too much for them. Really looking forward to seeing how the likes of McNulty, Lavery and McKenna get on after their great showings in the McKenna Cup. The proof will be in the pudding but Harte would seem to have a gar greater grasp of his best XV this year in comparison to the musical chairs that took place last year.[/QUOTE]
For a man who puts a lot in what individuals achieved in All-Ireland 1/4’s & semi’s etc you seem to disregard your own criteria alot.

  1. Mark Collins - 2 Sigersons
  2. Donnacha O’Connor, - AI winner, All Star, clutch performances in semi’s & Finals
  3. Colm O’Driscoll - Scored goal while winning AI U21, could have gone for an equalizing point. Again clutch.
  4. Colm O’Neill - recognized as one of the games marque forwards. All star, regular top scorer, statistically the most efficient forward in last years championship.
  5. Donal Óg Hodnett - Unproven
  6. Brian Hurley, Castlehaven - All Star and recognized as one of the best power forwards in the game. Regularly double marked.

Subs
Kerrigan - AI Winner, u21 winner, Sigerson winner, All Star. Again feared throughout the game.

To come back
Paddy Kelly - Just an absolute star. I never heard before or since of 100% pass ratios from someone. His ability to not only pick a pass but pick the right pass as well as hold possession if needed is rivaled by few in last 20 years.

Tyrone have one proven and decorated forward, Sean Cavanagh.
McCurry is certainly another talent, but other than that it’s lots of ifs and nuts an

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[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1083729, member: 273”]For a man who puts a lot in what individuals achieved in All-Ireland 1/4’s & semi’s etc you seem to disregard your own criteria alot.

  1. Mark Collins - 2 Sigersons
  2. Donnacha O’Connor, - AI winner, All Star, clutch performances in semi’s & Finals
  3. Colm O’Driscoll - Scored goal while winning AI U21, could have gone for an equalizing point. Again clutch.
  4. Colm O’Neill - recognized as one of the games marque forwards. All star, regular top scorer, statistically the most efficient forward in last years championship.
  5. Donal Óg Hodnett - Unproven
  6. Brian Hurley, Castlehaven - All Star and recognized as one of the best power forwards in the game. Regularly double marked.

Subs
Kerrigan - AI Winner, u21 winner, Sigerson winner, All Star. Again feared throughout the game.

To come back
Paddy Kelly - Just an absolute star. I never heard before or since of 100% pass ratios from someone. His ability to not only pick a pass but pick the right pass as well as hold possession if needed is rivaled by few in last 20 years.

Tyrone have one proven and decorated forward, Sean Cavanagh.
McCurry is certainly another talent, but other than that it’s lots of ifs and nuts an[/QUOTE]
Where are you getting that Colm O’Neill stat from Kev? He had that impressive statistical game against Sligo but he didn’t really score enough to be compared to someone who scored twice or three times as much.

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[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1083729, member: 273”]For a man who puts a lot in what individuals achieved in All-Ireland 1/4’s & semi’s etc you seem to disregard your own criteria alot.

  1. Mark Collins - 2 Sigersons
  2. Donnacha O’Connor, - AI winner, All Star, clutch performances in semi’s & Finals
  3. Colm O’Driscoll - Scored goal while winning AI U21, could have gone for an equalizing point. Again clutch.
  4. Colm O’Neill - recognized as one of the games marque forwards. All star, regular top scorer, statistically the most efficient forward in last years championship.
  5. Donal Óg Hodnett - Unproven
  6. Brian Hurley, Castlehaven - All Star and recognized as one of the best power forwards in the game. Regularly double marked.

Subs
Kerrigan - AI Winner, u21 winner, Sigerson winner, All Star. Again feared throughout the game.

To come back
Paddy Kelly - Just an absolute star. I never heard before or since of 100% pass ratios from someone. His ability to not only pick a pass but pick the right pass as well as hold possession if needed is rivaled by few in last 20 years.

Tyrone have one proven and decorated forward, Sean Cavanagh.
McCurry is certainly another talent, but other than that it’s lots of ifs and nuts an[/QUOTE]

How many footballers of the year, triple All Ireland winners and three time All Stars do Cork have in their forward line? Zero

Some amount of bluster in there, statistically the most efficient forward in the game? What against the likes of Sligo and Tipperary, Div 3 and 4 sides? Give it a rest. Sigerson Cups? There are lads who can’t make the Tyrone panel who have those? Colm O’Driscoll - never heard of him, is he just out of minor?

O’Connor, Kelly and Kerrigan are all past their best, they’ve done fuck all in the last few years and were hugely overrated players who struggled to do it in big games. Given the domination Cork used to enjoy over teams in the middle of the pitch, if they had the marquee forwards who could do it when the pressure was on they would have won more than one All Ireland. The jury is out on Hurley, he has talent but he was pathetic last year, think he went scoreless from play in a number of championship games last year which is dreadful for a full forward. O’Neill is a talented player but can’t handle tight markers. Goulding is poor from open play but a good free taker. None of them are in the class of McCurry or Cavanagh.

Hoping Ronie O’Neill puts it together from here on in, McAliskey needs to find consistency but he’s an excellent player when on form. McKenna looked very sharp on Saturday night. I have faith in these lads coming good and I’d certainly rather have promising youngsters likes these than windy has-beens like Kerrigan, Kelly and O’Connor.

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Ah lovely, nothing like a good ol Cork/Pick your Nordie team of choice debate :popcorn:

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Brian Hurley has never been an All Star

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Whats a power forward in gaelic football? What a fucking bluffing cunt :smiley:

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Got it from one of the articles I read in last few days. I’m thinking Ray boynes stats were used. I read about 12/13 articles, but it was one citing him anyway.

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[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1083770, member: 2533”]How many footballers of the year, triple All Ireland winners and three time All Stars do Cork have in their forward line? Zero

Some amount of bluster in there, statistically the most efficient forward in the game? What against the likes of Sligo and Tipperary, Div 3 and 4 sides? Give it a rest. Sigerson Cups? There are lads who can’t make the Tyrone panel who have those? Colm O’Driscoll - never heard of him, is he just out of minor?

O’Connor, Kelly and Kerrigan are all past their best, they’ve done fuck all in the last few years and were hugely overrated players who struggled to do it in big games. Given the domination Cork used to enjoy over teams in the middle of the pitch, if they had the marquee forwards who could do it when the pressure was on they would have won more than one All Ireland. The jury is out on Hurley, he has talent but he was pathetic last year, think he went scoreless from play in a number of championship games last year which is dreadful for a full forward. O’Neill is a talented player but can’t handle tight markers. Goulding is poor from open play but a good free taker. None of them are in the class of McCurry or Cavanagh.

Hoping Ronie O’Neill puts it together from here on in, McAliskey needs to find consistency but he’s an excellent player when on form. McKenna looked very sharp on Saturday night. I have faith in these lads coming good and I’d certainly rather have promising youngsters likes these than windy has-beens like Kerrigan, Kelly and O’Connor.[/QUOTE]
So you think Sean Cavanagh is better than the entire Cork forward line?

Hurley didn’t score cos he was double marked and they stopped kicking the ball in to him.

There is absolutely no comparision in results and performances of Cork and Tyrone over the past few years. It’s a farcical argument.

They’ll both do well not to be relgated and make 1/4’s of AI though. Harte is severely hampering Tyrone, which you constantly agree with. I’m not sure why you think a 50 odd year old man would change.

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[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1083794, member: 273”]So you think Sean Cavanagh is better than the entire Cork forward line?

Hurley didn’t score cos he was double marked and they stopped kicking the ball in to him.

There is absolutely no comparision in results and performances of Cork and Tyrone over the past few years. It’s a farcical argument.

They’ll both do well not to be relgated and make 1/4’s of AI though. Harte is severely hampering Tyrone, which you constantly agree with. I’m not sure why you think a 50 odd year old man would change.[/QUOTE]

I think Sean Cavanagh and Darren McCurry are better than any of the Cork forwards.

Who have Cork beaten of note in the past 4 seasons in the Championship?

Cork 2011 - Beat Clare and Waterford, lost to Kerry and Mayo
Cork 2012 - Beat Kerry, Clare and Kildare, lost to Donegal
Cork 2013 - Beat Limerick, Clare and Galway, lost to Kerry and Dublin
Cork 2014 - Beat Tipperary and Sligo, lost to Kerry and Mayo

Tyrone 2011 - Beat Monaghan, Armagh, Longford and Roscommon, lost to Donegal and Dublin
Tyrone 2012 - Beat Armagh, lost to Donegal and Kerry
Tyrone 2013 - Beat Offaly, Roscommon, Kildare, Meath, Monagahan, lost to Mayo and Donegal
Tyrone 2014 - Beat Louth and Down, lost to Monaghan and Armagh

Cork have only won two games of knockout football against Galway and Kildare in the last four years.

Tyrone have won 8 in that time period against Offaly, Louth, Meath, Kildare, Monaghan, Roscommon x2 and Armagh.

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I see they’ve kept Senan Connell away from the Monaghan game, he had some real problems pronouncing Stephen Gollogly on Sky last year.

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[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1083807, member: 2533”]I think Sean Cavanagh and Darren McCurry are better than any of the Cork forwards.

Who have Cork beaten of note in the past 4 seasons in the Championship?

Cork 2011 - Beat Clare and Waterford, lost to Kerry and Mayo
Cork 2012 - Beat Kerry, Clare and Kildare, lost to Donegal
Cork 2013 - Beat Limerick, Clare and Galway, lost to Kerry and Dublin
Cork 2014 - Beat Tipperary and Sligo, lost to Kerry and Mayo

Tyrone 2011 - Beat Monaghan, Armagh, Longford and Roscommon, lost to Donegal and Dublin
Tyrone 2012 - Beat Armagh, lost to Donegal and Kerry
Tyrone 2013 - Beat Offaly, Roscommon, Kildare, Meath, Monagahan, lost to Mayo and Donegal
Tyrone 2014 - Beat Louth and Down, lost to Monaghan and Armagh

Cork have only won two games of knockout football against Galway and Kildare in the last four years.

Tyrone have won 8 in that time period against Offaly, Louth, Meath, Kildare, Monaghan, Roscommon x2 and Armagh.[/QUOTE]
Why pick 4 years? Why not 6 years. Which includes Cork destroying Tyrone and winning an AI.
Beating Armagh is on a par with beating Tipp and Clare as things stand. As for all the other teams Tyrone beat, they only played them cos they were getting beat.

Your first line is hilariously stupid. Cavanagh has been average for quite a few years now. Colm O Neill and Hurley are far superior “forwards” (it’s a different argument to compare their overall contribution as “footballers”)

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[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1083817, member: 273”]Why pick 4 years? Why not 6 years. Which includes Cork destroying Tyrone and winning an AI.
Beating Armagh is on a par with beating Tipp and Clare as things stand. As for all the other teams Tyrone beat, they only played them cos they were getting beat.

Your first line is hilariously stupid. Cavanagh has been average for quite a few years now. Colm O Neill and Hurley are far superior “forwards” (it’s a different argument to compare their overall contribution as “footballers”)[/QUOTE]

Why? Because 4 years is more relevant to the current context - only the two Cavanaghs, McCarron and possibly McCrory out of Tyrone’s starting XV tomorrow would have been on the Tyrone panel in 2010.

As for being average for quite a few years?

He missed 2012 and had a phenomenal year in 2013 where he won an All Star. Tyrone had a short summer last year but he was one of the few players who could be satisfied with his efforts. As usual, you are being forced to talk absolute bollocks that you can’t rationalise after making a complete hash of your argument.

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McManus not starting for Monaghan. Ryan McAnespie comes in for him, they expect big things of him in Monaghan, was one of their key players in their 2013 Ulster minor winning side.

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Neil McAdam playing in midfiedl.

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Nice score from Peter Hughes there, all started after some excellent defending from McNamee at the back.

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[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1083818, member: 2533”]Why? Because 4 years is more relevant to the current context - only the two Cavanaghs, McCarron and possibly McCrory out of Tyrone’s starting XV tomorrow would have been on the Tyrone panel in 2010.

As for being average for quite a few years?

He missed 2012 and had a phenomenal year in 2013 where he won an All Star. Tyrone had a short summer last year but he was one of the few players who could be satisfied with his efforts. As usual, you are being forced to talk absolute bollocks that you can’t rationalise after making a complete hash of your argument.[/QUOTE]
He shouldn’t have got an all star in 13, it was a joke.

So you admit Cork have far superior experience. Of course that’s worthless(as are seemingly medals at high levels) in high level sport. The “potential” of unproven a seems to mean more to you. :rolleyes:

Moron.

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Super score from Mone.

Tyrone 0-02
Monaghan 0-01

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[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1083824, member: 273”]He shouldn’t have got an all star in 13, it was a joke.

So you admit Cork have far superior experience. Of course that’s worthless(as are seemingly medals at high levels) in high level sport. The “potential” of unproven a seems to mean more to you. :rolleyes:

Moron.[/QUOTE]

He deserved an All Star in 2013.

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Hughes with another lovely point for Tyrone, both teams going very direct.

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McCurry playing quite deep, nice bit of play to set up Cavanagh who wins the free.

McCurry points the free.

Tyrone 0-04
Monagahn 0-02